[Variable]

Originally Posted by Jack_Sparrow

All I'm saying is that despite thousands of years for these countries to exist, they remain segregated into their own countries complete with their own language, food, and culture. What is amazing here is the proximity of it all. An area thats so tiny, yet with a formal integration like the rest of the world. What caused it? in general terms, the thematic and fashionable culture of isolation in europe.

The muslim community, especially in the UK is dangerously cut and isolated as a byproduct of this theme. They have these extreme paranoia that muslims in the US don't have.

Interestingly at one time, many of those places could communicate in the same language - Latin was spoken and/or understood from Northern England to Egypt (although the local languages continued as well). When the Western Empire fell and communication broke down, they evolved away from each other. So now we have the broad swath of Romance languages to the south and Germanic languages to the north with a scattering of other more indigenous ones.

But it's really no different in most other parts of the the world.

[Jack_Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Variable

Interestingly at one time, many of those places could communicate in the same language - Latin was spoken and/or understood from Northern England to Egypt (although the local languages continued as well). When the Western Empire fell and communication broke down, they evolved away from each other. So now we have the broad swath of Romance languages to the south and Germanic languages to the north with a scattering of other more indigenous ones.

But it's really no different in most other parts of the the world.

I'd agree, but most of the world doesn't have absurd claims like western europe does. "first world" "advanced nations" and so forth. I go to europe quite alot for business, I'd say about 5 times a year generally, and its interesting to notice the trademark paranoia in any given community. They seem to be really isolated and distant, almost to a very sad extent.

What do you think is the reason Muslims aren't as integrated as say Muslims in the States or Canada...and even East and Southern Africa? since I gave my reason, there isn't anything else that comes to mind.

[Jack_Sparrow]

To further place some reading material Variable, I'd like to quote you from another ongoing thread....
http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/ne...html#post68794

good stuff, and very interesting indeed.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Jack_Sparrow

I'd agree, but most of the world doesn't have absurd claims like western europe does. "first world" "advanced nations" and so forth. I go to europe quite alot for business, I'd say about 5 times a year generally, and its interesting to notice the trademark paranoia in any given community. They seem to be really isolated and distant, almost to a very sad extent.

What do you think is the reason Muslims aren't as integrated as say Muslims in the States or Canada...and even East and Southern Africa? since I gave my reason, there isn't anything else that comes to mind.

Well part of the reason in UK is because the ones who aren't integrated very well and are so ghettoized are the Meerpuris, and the blame for that lays in part with the UK. The rest of it lies with the Meerpuri culture and mindset, and not with any Muslim mentality.

[Jack_Sparrow]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Well part of the reason in UK is because the ones who aren't integrated very well and are so ghettoized are the Meerpuris, and the blame for that lays in part with the UK. The rest of it lies with the Meerpuri culture and mindset, and not with any Muslim mentality.

Most mirpuris are concentrated in Bradford/leeds/birmingham tri area. What then about the rest of the country?

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Jack_Sparrow

I'd agree, but most of the world doesn't have absurd claims like western europe does. "first world" "advanced nations" and so forth.

I'd say that in itself is pretty absurd. The terms 'First World' through 'Third World' had specific meanings that referenced the world map during the Cold War. Those terms were descriptive in nature, not pejorative. Over time they took on other meanings and are used colloquially by everyone. "Advanced nations"... Did you hear that in a certain context?

Of course there is a certain level of xenophobia and feeling of superiority in Europe, but that doesn't really set it apart from most other places.

I go to europe quite alot for business, I'd say about 5 times a year generally, and its interesting to notice the trademark paranoia in any given community. They seem to be really isolated and distant, almost to a very sad extent.

What do you think is the reason Muslims aren't as integrated as say Muslims in the States or Canada...and even East and Southern Africa? since I gave my reason, there isn't anything else that comes to mind.

There're a lot of reasons for that... I don't know them all. I'd say because of the pattern of immigration. Here in Canada and I think as well in the US, it's been a fairly gradual process, whereas European countries seemed to have had 'bursts'. We are countries built on immigration... a sense of inclusiveness is almost built in to us likely because of that. European countries on the other hand feel they have long traditions and strong cultural identities already in place and are something they feel protective about.

I'm no expert on this, I haven't been to many parts of Europe myself, but I don't think they're a special case of paranoid... especially based on anything you've talked about here. European xenophobia is peanuts compared to Japan. Same with many Arab states. In other parts of the Asia, you can take a couple hundred miles X a couple of hundred miles and find the same extent of fenced-off approach diversity as you find in Europe.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Jack_Sparrow

To further place some reading material Variable, I'd like to quote you from another ongoing thread....
http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/ne...html#post68794

good stuff, and very interesting indeed.

Why did you link to that post?

[Pushpa]

Originally Posted by Variable

Anyway, has anyone who lives in Britain seen any place that comes even close to what this guy is claiming?

No.

I'm with the MCB on this one: scaremongering.