[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Anderson

Regardless of the method killing a woman is cowardly.

Any special protection or privilege a person enjoys because of a specific attribute they have goes out the window when they choose to negate that attribute.

Bhutto chose to play a man's role in a man's world. Crying about the fact that that she went out the way she did because she's a woman (vs just a Muslim - Allahu Alim on that), as some here undoubtedly will, doesn't make any sense.

Further, with this outlook, how would you handle death penalty/hadd situations for women? Irrelevant of gender, that's how crimes against people such as Musharraf's, Saddam's, and Bhutto's should be handled to begin with..

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

currently the report is that he did use a gun to shoot her in the chest and neck (the injuries that killed her), then he blew himself for dramatic effect or some other reason

I thought the wounds in her chest and neck were from shrapnel? Why would he blow himself up after killing her?

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by Anderson

Regardless of the method killing a woman is cowardly.

So if she were a man, it would've been okay?

Regardless of whether or not you like their politics, killing political leaders (or anybody, really) in this way is not acceptable.

Doesn't make for a democracy, in any case, if opposition leaders are killed (conveniently, right before elections).

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Any special protection or privilege a person enjoys because of a specific attribute they have goes out the window when they choose to negate that attribute.

Bhutto chose to play a man's role in a man's world. Crying about the fact that that she went out the way she did because she's a woman (vs just a Muslim - Allahu Alim on that), as some here undoubtedly will, doesn't make any sense.

Further, with this outlook, how would you handle death penalty/hadd situations for women? Irrelevant of gender, that's how crimes against people such as Musharraf's, Saddam's, and Bhutto's should be handled to begin with..

People do not deserve to die for holding a political opinion unless they are communists or those views encourage the killing of others. You can't say Bhutto deserves to die the same way a feminist terrorist deserves to.

Originally Posted by Timbit

So if she were a man, it would've been okay?

Regardless of whether or not you like their politics, killing political leaders (or anybody, really) in this way is not acceptable.

Doesn't make for a democracy, in any case, if opposition leaders are killed (conveniently, right before elections).

Before I reply to this I'd like to clarify that you are a complete and utter moron. Now to answer your question- no.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

I thought the wounds in her chest and neck were from shrapnel? Why would he blow himself up after killing her?

I have no idea but thats what CNN and the associated press were reporting from eye witnesses. That kind of stuff can be inaccurate, I dont know if theres definitive information out there since the doctors that tried to save her didnt confirm or deny the gunshots

As for why he blew himself up after shooting her (if he did shoot her), i mentioned some possibilities and anderson mentioned some others, or it couldve been some kind of orgasmic victory celebration. Who knows why these people blow themselves up. In Iraq they've blown themselves up when Marines were opening fire on their buildings from other buildings that couldnt possibly be effected by their explosions. In spain an entire apartment full of these guys blew themselves up en masse when police had the building surrounded. Its just what they do.

[sak01]

Originally Posted by Anderson

People do not deserve to die for holding a political opinion unless they are communists...

lol Are you serious?

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by Anderson

Anyway as for Benazir, I said the same thing last time there was an attempt on her life- Why put the lives of so many people at risk by holding these rallies? She knew was a target why put so many people in danger?

Originally Posted by Anderson

You can't say Bhutto deserves to die the same way a feminist terrorist deserves to.

Yes, and these comments here just point to how intelligent you are.

[UmmUmayr]

Ina lillahi wa ina ilayhi raji'oun.

[Jamroll]

The initial reports are as MossadC said, that she'd been shot in the neck and chest, a few minutes before the bomb blast. This might suggest that the bomb blast was a diversion to create confusion and chaos immediately after she was assasinated. Who knows? Time will tell.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Anderson

People do not deserve to die for holding a political opinion unless they are communists or those views encourage the killing of others. You can't say Bhutto deserves to die the same way a feminist terrorist deserves to.

That's too broad of a reprieve. If you're in a position of power due to your family name and status and are in a position to impact others with your political views, and then actively vie for power in a nation on top of that, you are different from Joe Schmo on the street holding a political view.

Also, pretty much everyone in this world (with the exception of a few pacifists) holds views that encourage killing others in one context or another, so that's too broad a condemnation also (as is the condemnation of the aforementioned Joe Schmo if the aforementioned Joe Schmo was a Communist).

But whether or not Bhutto deserved to die isn't the point.. I'm just saying that she played a man's role in a man's world, and she caught a man's punishment. So it wasn't any more or less cowardly than someone blowing up Musharraf imo.

[Timbit]

So who do you all think is behind this?
There was gunfire at Nawaz Sharif's rally too apparently.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

The initial reports are as MossadC said, that she'd been shot in the neck and chest, a few minutes before the bomb blast. This might suggest that the bomb blast was a diversion to create confusion and chaos immediately after she was assasinated. Who knows? Time will tell.

interesting detail, the particulars of the attack will probably take a few hours to come to light but i wonder how she couldve sustained shrapnel injuries if the bomb really didnt explode until some minutes after she was shot. And what happened to the guy who shot her during those few minutes

[sally]

Originally Posted by sally

i wonder what's gonna happen to pakistan now. ..

Originally Posted by bluey

Just saw the news.

It's not like she would've helped Pakistan if she came to power. But yeah, I guess they'll have more riots. [As usual]

Originally Posted by Shahnawaz

It has been saved from America's agent who said she will welcome American forces into Pakistan to combat "Islamic Radicals".

Allahu Akbar

She gloated at the Lal Masjid massacre, I think its only right that I do the same at the death of this puppet sent by the West.

i just want to clarify that i didn't support bhutto when she was alive. i'm just really concerned about the near future of pakistan..primarily the unpredictability of whatll happen from now on...

uncertainty is scary. im not sure why but this whole thing has gotten me really emotional...i guess it's just a reminder of just how sick the world really is...

anyway... when she came back to pakistan, most ppl were saying things like, watch her get killed..at least ppl suspected something to occur..and now it's just like..things are gonna be all over the place

i lived and went to school in pakistan during the time of her 'reign'. it was horrible, i wont lie...for a while we had these drills on a constant basis in school..like how to dodge a bullet and stuff if they came in from the windows..our school was really 'open'.. lots of corridoors and huge windows..a couple times there were bomb blasts like within less than a mile of us

alhamdulillah my younger cousins who attend school in the same area as i did never really had the need to go through these drills and stuff
anyways i still think this is sad.

[sixpakistan]

One thing we can be sure of.. If fingers start to point toward Musharraf (which is not outside the realm of possibility), the White House will turn a blind eye to it.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by Timbit

So who do you all think is behind this?
There was gunfire at Nawaz Sharif's rally too apparently.

Not sure yet. It's difficult to say. There's a lot of competing factions in Pakistan all vying for various types of power and control. It's too convenient to blame it on "Islamic fundamentalists/terrorists" three hours after the event, without any kind of (even cursory) evidence.

The "Islamist" types oppose her for various reasons, but they have more of a beef with Musharraf than with her. She had several policies which would have been hugely unpopular with many people and groups, including "internationalising" Pakistan's war on terror - which essentially meant opening up Pakistani soil to "international" (read:US) "peacekeeping" forces, in order to sort out the "Taliban".

(You can probably tell from the amount of quotation marks that I've used, that I suspect a lot of doublespeak is used by politicians, Pakistani and otherwise).

Anyway, there are a number of groups who would have a serious problem with that kind of thing, not just the "islamists".

[Shawarma]

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