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Old 11-27-2007, 01:32 AM
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'Muhammad' teddy teacher arrested

A British schoolteacher has been arrested in Sudan accused of insulting Islam's Prophet, after she allowed her pupils to name a teddy bear Muhammad.


Colleagues of Gillian Gibbons, 54, from Liverpool, said she made an "innocent mistake" by letting the six and seven-year-olds choose the name.

Ms Gibbons was arrested after several parents made complaints.

The BBC has learned the charge could lead to six months in jail, 40 lashes or a fine.

Officials from the British embassy in Khartoum are expected to visit Ms Gibbons in custody.

"We are in contact with the authorities here and they have visited the teacher and she is in a good condition," an embassy spokesman said.

The spokesman said the naming of the teddy happened months ago and was chosen by the children because it is a common name in the country.

"This happened in September and the parents did not have a problem with it," he said.


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The school has been closed until January for fear of reprisals.

Fellow teachers at Khartoum's Unity High School told Reuters news agency they feared for Ms Gibbons' safety after receiving reports that men had started gathering outside the police station where she was being held.

The school's director, Robert Boulos, said: "This is a very sensitive issue. We are very worried about her safety.
"This was a completely innocent mistake. Miss Gibbons would have never wanted to insult Islam."

Mr Boulos said Ms Gibbons was following a British national curriculum course designed to teach young pupils about animals and this year's topic was the bear.

Ms Gibbons, who joined the school in August, asked a seven-year-old girl to bring in her teddy bear and asked the class to pick names for it, he said.

"They came up with eight names including Abdullah, Hassan and Muhammad," Mr Boulos said, adding that she then had the children vote on a name.

Twenty out of the 23 children chose Muhammad as their favourite name.

Mr Boulos said each child was then allowed to take the bear home at weekends and told to write a diary about what they did with it.

He said the children's entries were collected in a book with a picture of the bear on the cover and a message which read, "My name is Muhammad."


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The bear itself was not marked or labelled with the name in any way, he added.

It is seen as an insult to Islam to attempt to make an image of the Prophet Muhammad.

Mr Boulos said Ms Gibbons was arrested on Sunday at her home inside the school premises after a number of parents complained to Sudan's Ministry of Education.

He said police had seized the book and asked to interview the girl who owned the bear.

The country's state-controlled Sudanese Media Centre reported that charges were being prepared "under article 125 of the criminal law" which covers insults against faith and religion.

No-one at the ministries of education or justice was available for comment.

Mr Boulos told the BBC he was confident she would not face a jail sentence.

One Muslim teacher at the independent school for Christian and Muslim children, who has a child in Ms Gibbons' class, said she had not found the project offensive.

"I know Gillian and she would never have meant it as an insult. I was just impressed that she got them to vote," the teacher said.

In Liverpool, a family spokeswoman said Ms Gibbons' grown children, John and Jessica - both believed to be in their 20s - were not commenting on her arrest.

"I have spoken with her children and they do not want to say anything and aggravate the situation over there," she said.

Rick Widdowson the headteacher of Garston Church of England Primary School, where Gillian worked for ten years, added: "We are an Anglican school and I know for a fact that Gillian would not do anything to offend followers of any faith.

"Certainly she is also very worldly wise and she is obviously aware of the sensitivities around Islam."

Cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad printed in several European newspapers sparked violent protests around the world in 2006.

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So pathetic. Muslims are so stupid and up-tight.

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wait... I don't get how this would offend people.
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It's stuff like this that makes Islam the laughing stock of the world.
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I was on the metro this morning going to work...They have the morning metro papers and everyone is usually reading it.. Found it quite embarrassing... im usually the only non-white on the train at that time... everyones reading the papers and kinda looking puzzled... It was on Front Page! Isnt it a bit too extreme???
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I was on the metro this morning going to work...They have the morning metro papers and everyone is usually reading it.. Found it quite embarrassing... im usually the only non-white on the train at that time... everyones reading the papers and kinda looking puzzled... It was on Front Page! Isnt it a bit too extreme???

Bad news sells, so yes it's big news. Faux News has it as a headline on their site and it's on CNN and more.
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it is ignorance that drives people. It's so sad.
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From the article, those were three possible sentences for her.
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I was on the metro this morning going to work...They have the morning metro papers and everyone is usually reading it.. Found it quite embarrassing... im usually the only non-white on the train at that time... everyones reading the papers and kinda looking puzzled... It was on Front Page! Isnt it a bit too extreme???
I guess it's a slow news day hey. The initial articles I found on it were titled "40 LASHES for naming a Teddy!!!" - sensationalism is lame.

This kind of reminds me of that time when soldiers gave out soccer balls that had Saudi's flag on it. I definitely could have made these same mistakes, these just aren't the kinds of things that you're average non-Muslim thinks about... even if they aren't out trying to disrespect the religion.
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Aroma, where do you live?
I haven't seen the Metro here today, as I drove to work.
But will make sure to pick up a copy later today.

This is really dumb though.


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Aroma, where do you live?
I haven't seen the Metro here today, as I drove to work.
But will make sure to pick up a copy later today.

This is really dumb though.


Hi Timby,

I think aroma might be talking about the London Metro newspaper. In fact it's over all the papers, all the news, top headline everywhere in the UK, because the woman was from Liverpool, England (incidentally the same place as the Beatles).

I think there's got to be more to this story than is being reported. It seems like this poor woman (and her tiny students) is being used as a pawn in some political game. It's obvious this woman made a cultural faux-pas, but nothing more. There's got to be something bigger at stake here.
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The Sudanese regime is facing a backlash by Muslims who feel that it has sold out to America and hence this case
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Yeah sure, Liverpool in the USA, hem I wonder if there is a Liverpool in the USA, they have many English named cities and towns.

If there is a wider angle it's probably due the UK's imperial past.

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Hi Timby,

I think aroma might be talking about the London Metro newspaper. In fact it's over all the papers, all the news, top headline everywhere in the UK, because the woman was from Liverpool, England (incidentally the same place as the Beatles).

I think there's got to be more to this story than is being reported. It seems like this poor woman (and her tiny students) is being used as a pawn in some political game. It's obvious this woman made a cultural faux-pas, but nothing more. There's got to be something bigger at stake here.
Well, we have a Metro too, k? Which has funny cover stories sometimes. That's why I asked aroma where aroma is from.



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Hi Timby,

I think aroma might be talking about the London Metro newspaper. In fact it's over all the papers, all the news, top headline everywhere in the UK, because the woman was from Liverpool, England (incidentally the same place as the Beatles).

I think there's got to be more to this story than is being reported. It seems like this poor woman (and her tiny students) is being used as a pawn in some political game. It's obvious this woman made a cultural faux-pas, but nothing more. There's got to be something bigger at stake here.
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