[roberto]

Al Qaeda terrorist who took part in Lake District training camp sentenced to six years in prison
Last updated at 15:23pm on 22nd November 2007
A Muslim extremist who took part in a campaign to recruit and train "jihadists" has been jailed for six years today after becoming a recruiting sergeant for Muslim extremists.


Pakistani-born Abdul Rahman, 25, arrived in the UK on a student visa, but spent just one day at university before dropping out.


He is the first person in Britain to be convicted of a charge of disseminating terrorist information after he was arrested with a "call to arms" letter from a Muslim fighter.

He is also the first person to be convicted of helping another person to breach a control order by paying the airfare for a man to flee to Pakistan.

Rahman pleaded guilty at yesterday's hearing to possessing articles for the purpose of terrorism, dissemination of terrorist propaganda and aiding or abetting the breach of a control order.

On arriving in the UK, Rahman joined up with a gang of radical young Muslims who aimed to scout, recruit and encourage others to take up arms in a holy war.

Disturbing video footage showed the group taking part in an arduous 'Al Qaeda training camp' in the Lake District in preparation for the jihad.

He admitted handing the suspect, who was subject to a Government control order, around £500 to help him buy plane tickets to flee the UK.

The court heard that after the suspect got away, police raided Rahman's house, where they found video footage of him taking part in the Lake District training camp.

The film referred to one as a suicide bomber whilst two others were seen crawling, commando-style, through the snow and undergrowth near Langdale, Cumbria, praising Allah and the Chechen Mujahideen.

In Rahman's house, police found hunting knives, two-way radios, GPS equipment and propaganda - including a document referring to terrorist finishing schools called How Can I Train Myself for Jihad?

Yesterday Rahman admitted two offences under the 2006 Terrorism Act and pleaded guilty to a further charge of helping a terror suspect defy a control order.

The case illustrated the weaknesses of control orders, said one senior police source outside court.

He added: 'There is real concern these orders are not worth the paper they are written on and do nothing in real terms to protect the public.

"Despite these orders, suspected terrorists are able to move around the UK and even leave the country to go and fight jihad elsewhere."

Manchester Crown Court heard that Rahman started a pharmacology degree in 2000 at a university in Pakistan close to the Afghanistan border, but dropped out after a year.

He moved to the UK in 2004 on a student visa and registered to begin a biotechnology degree at Abertay University in Dundee. After his first day, he left for Manchester telling tutors he had financial difficulties.

Parmjit Cheema, prosecuting, said Rahman took a job in a mobile phone shop and mixed with radical Muslims, sharing a house with some of them.

She said: "Their particular interest, it would appear, was the perceived assault on Islam in Afghanistan and the need as they saw it to provide resources and fighters for that conflict."

She said Rahman played a vital role supporting jihadists in Pakistan and acting as a "pipeline" to the UK.

In January this year he met up with a 22-year-old man, known only as AK for legal reasons, who had just been served with a control order.

Rahman gave him £480 to flee the country. Before taking a flight to Lahore via Tehran, CCTV filmed AK at Birmingham Airport after he had ditched his usual traditional Muslim attire for Westernised clothing.

Detective Chief Superintendent Tony Porter, of Greater Manchester Police Counter-Terrorism Unit, said: "This man provided support to people determined to carry out terrorist acts.

"He was clearly intent on drawing others into his network."

Rahman will be sentenced today.

Al Qaeda terrorist who took part in Lake District training camp sentenced to six years in prison | the Daily Mail

Pakistanis worry about being called names by a few English Yobs, Brits worry about being blown to bits by a few Islamic extremist. Well it's true, we all have worries

[jinnzaman]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

And the issue is more than just about a bunch of bad mouthed brits yelling obscenities, its about racial tendencies and systematic patterns of discrimination. It is absolutely hypocritical for Western societies to accuse Muslims of human rights violations when such flagrant racism exists in their own societies.

Maybe you should stop bombing our people for being "undemocratic" and clean up your own house first, Mr. Fascist Fairy.

[Bluestar]

nobodys bombed anyones people on islamica nobody should be given the reponsibility of holding the reputation of an entire community, religion or ethnic group.

What roberto was pointing out at the end of the article was so true and is the heart of many of our problems today. The culture of fear creates boundaries for understanding and people keep to themselves and suspect others.

As for the actions of the guy who was charged, personally my views/aims/voluntary work revolves around encouraging peace and dialogue. Obviously in a situation where you're being physically attacked, that wouldn't come in useful but i think physical violence (as self defence only) should always be the last resort. Ghandi stood up to the colonial powers without resorting to violence, we should learn from him. The painful thing is, is that we don't have a close community anymore. Globalisation has pushed peoople together physically but so much further apart emotionally Another sad thing is, is that a lot of non muslims would support us (in our search for justice):

a) if we gave them a chance of being part of the community that exists.
b) if we practised it ourselves

All in all, the search for justice seems so far away when everyone with power and money has nothing but dollar signs and black gold in their eyes. Inshallah, things will change for the better but its the responsibility of every human being to try and change it, not just point fingers.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by roberto

Pakistanis worry about being called names by a few English Yobs, Brits worry about being blown to bits by a few Islamic extremist. Well it's true, we all have worries

well in all fairness plenty of muslim's died in those 7/7 train bombings but no one ever looks at that.

whenever i have brought up the deaths of muslims at the hands of wahabi extremists, i always got the same answer, that they are 'collateral damadge' or they are 'martyrs' or they attempt to justify it somehow. its very sickening really.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

well in all fairness plenty of muslim's died in those 7/7 train bombings but no one ever looks at that.

whenever i have brought up the deaths of muslims at the hands of wahabi extremists, i always got the same answer, that they are 'collateral damadge' or they are 'martyrs' or they attempt to justify it somehow. its very sickening really.

It is sickening, but it wasn't Wahaabis that did it. It was an AlQaeda linked cell...not Wahaabis

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Revert

It is sickening, but it wasn't Wahaabis that did it. It was an AlQaeda linked cell...not Wahaabis

i honestly dont know what sect they belonged to. but years ago during the algerian civil war, i had brought up the issue of muslim's dying at the hands of bombings and shootings by islamic party that actually won the election in algeria and were denied taking power by the military. and the wahabis i spoke to about this, had justified it claiming it was like collataral damage, something i found shocking.

[Bluestar]

i can't believe they have training camps in the Lake District, everyone knows thats where hippies go to have midnight parties

I go there often (in the daytime ) most of it is beautiful. I wonder if it's in the forest hmmmm

[roberto]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Two wrongs don't make a right.

And the issue is more than just about a bunch of bad mouthed brits yelling obscenities, its about racial tendencies and systematic patterns of discrimination. It is absolutely hypocritical for Western societies to accuse Muslims of human rights violations when such flagrant racism exists in their own societies.

Maybe you should stop bombing our people for being "undemocratic" and clean up your own house first, Mr. Fascist Fairy.

There has been considerable debate on racism some of which is fact; some imaginary, so let deal with "systematic patterns of discrimination" where it should, if it is a fact, be identifiable.

I live it the UK so let’s start there, please identify these discriminations

[ShiaHazara]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

well in all fairness plenty of muslim's died in those 7/7 train bombings but no one ever looks at that.

whenever i have brought up the deaths of muslims at the hands of wahabi extremists, i always got the same answer, that they are 'collateral damadge' or they are 'martyrs' or they attempt to justify it somehow. its very sickening really.

actually bro, there was one muslim who was killed in the attacks, Shahara Islam is her name iirc.

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by roberto

There has been considerable debate on racism some of which is fact; some imaginary, so let deal with "systematic patterns of discrimination" where it should, if it is a fact, be identifiable.

I live it the UK so let’s start there, please identify these discriminations

Obsession with Muslimah's dress code via hijab, niqab, jilbab.

[roberto]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Obsession with Muslimah's dress code via hijab, niqab, jilbab.

Well from my recollections, in terms of media reporting, in every case a practical reason for any objections has been given, obviously everyone must form their own opinion about the reasons given, for me they have in most, if not all, case been practical.

I have noticed that a large number of forum members have also felt that the requirements re dress for particular jobs and profession have been reasonable.

I dare say in certain areas bad mannered people, yobs and the likes do make offensive remarks, however these people would make insulting remarks about anything which is different from their limited and distorted concept of the norm.

If you know of blatantly unreasonable dress code demand cases, lets us have them.

Other than dress code, what else have you in mind?

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by ShiaHazara

actually bro, there was one muslim who was killed in the attacks, Shahara Islam is her name iirc.

there were more than that, plus plenty injured muslims too from the blast. my own cousin who lives illegally in london called my dad to say he was all right, and that he doesnt ride the trains in the day, but at night when his shift ends.

[Bluestar]

i wouldn't take the underground at any time. It reminds me of oliver twist. The screeching of the trains that go by and the people who doze to sleep at 4pm in the afternoon London is a whole other place i don't go to often. Only for demonstrations

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by roberto

Pakistanis worry about being called names by a few English Yobs, Brits worry about being blown to bits by a few Islamic extremist. Well it's true, we all have worries

The Brixton bombings weren't targeting Pakis right? The plethora of racist murders committed by 'yobs' on Pakistanis don't deserve mention either? Props for totally downplaying the nature of racist violence against minorities in this country, I hope you burn in hell getting raped by ManBearPig too.

Originally Posted by ShiaHazara

actually bro, there was one muslim who was killed in the attacks, Shahara Islam is her name iirc.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4741213.stm- Muslim

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4741501.stm- Muslim

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4741287.stm- Muslim

[Aryan_]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

everyone knows thats where hippies go to have midnight parties

If by 'everyone' you mean fellow hippies then yes.

I go there for the fresh air and the pheasant hunting.