[Kaminyu]

Children herded like cattle into Maryland courthouse for forced vaccinations as armed police and attack dogs stand guard

... The State of Maryland has now turned to Gestapo tactics to force its medical will upon the People, stripping parents of any right to decide how they wish to protect their own children from infectious disease. Health authorities there have already announced their intent to essentially kidnap parents and throw them in jail, removing them from their children for up to thirty days if they continue to refuse to have their children vaccinated. This will all be conducted at gunpoint, with armed personnel and attack dogs at the ready, making sure nobody steps out of line, and suppressing any attempt at public dissent against the Orwellian vaccination policies. ...

I seriously hope this doesn't last.

[MossadConspiracy]

yeah its probably wrong to lock them up for being idiots and to force vaccines on their kids

cant let their kids die of whooping cough to teach them a lesson about how stupid they are either.

Theres really no way to effectively and ethically make the point to these dumb hippies that they are really stupid and are endangering their kids (and everyone else's kids), except by forcing them to home school their disease-bags

[Khairan]

The state has a right to refuse entry into the public school system for parents who decline vaccines for their children. It *doesn't* have a right to force competent people to take medication they don't want. I hope this gets challenged in a higher court.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

yeah its probably wrong to lock them up for being idiots and to force vaccines on their kids

cant let their kids die of whooping cough to teach them a lesson about how stupid they are either.

Theres really no way to effectively and ethically make the point to these dumb hippies that they are really stupid and are endangering their kids (and everyone else's kids), except by forcing them to home school their disease-bags

Except this isn't really an issue of "life or death" as you've exaggerated it out to be. It's one of money, between the school district, the state, and pharmaceutical corporations, as well as the reckless actions (such as this one) that they're taking because of it.

If you want to talk about "dangers", then vaccinations are themselves dangerous with the chemicals they have in them, not to mention their link to autism. The real idiot here is the one who gullibly follows/obeys corporations that only care about money. It's difficult to consider these parents idiots when even doctors oppose this forced vaccination, but I guess they must be "idiots" too, right? I suppose anyone who doesn't agree with money-mongering pharmaceutical corporations is "an idiot".

There is no sense in recklessly forcing vaccinations on every child, without any consideration to their individual histories, or any proper pre-examinations. Any sane person would oppose such a process.

[MossadConspiracy]

there is no link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

It was a theory cooked up by money grubbing lawyers seeking big bucks from class action suits, and science has definitively shot it down.

Before you start posting a bunch of stupid blog entries and opinion articles by random idiots with no medical training and possibly some quacks, you should know that a giant study with literally hundreds of thousands of subjects was conducted in Denmark to investigate the possibility that autism and the MMR vaccine are connected to each other, and the study found no evidence of any association between the two. This is probably the largest and the strongest study on this subject that could ever be carried out so the question has essentially been answered. It was published in the New England Journal of Medicine on November 7, 2002, and you are free to look it up if you want to read some real science about this subject instead of conspiracy nonsense.

The risks associated with going unvaccinated are many hundreds of times greater than the risks associated with receiving vaccines. And yes, getting whooping cough is a life and death issue, and little hippie kids running around with rubella mean that their stupid moms are going to give birth to stillborn babies or babies who will die soon after birth.

Vaccinations save millions of lives every year, communists and hippies and yuppie wannabes are just ignorant and do not understand how protective vaccines are until an outbreak happens among their children, as has happened in the past in communities where alot of kids dont get vaccines. It happened in Westchester with pertussis, it happens periodically with the Amish (but they get a pass because its their religion), it happens on hippy communes and cult compounds and other wacko communities every now and then.

Forcing any medical treatment on people is wrong (with a very small number of exceptions). That goes without saying. And thats what I said and am repeating now. If these people want to endanger themselves and their kids thats their choice. Its just a dumb decision based on ignorance. Someone who refuses to vaccinate their children is absolutely an idiot

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

there is no link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

It was a theory cooked up by money grubbing lawyers seeking big bucks from class action suits, and science has definitively shot it down.

Before you start posting a bunch of stupid blog entries and opinion articles by random idiots with no medical training and possibly some quacks, you should know that a giant study with literally hundreds of thousands of subjects was conducted in Denmark to investigate the possibility that autism and the MMR vaccine are connected to each other, and the study found no evidence of any association between the two. This is probably the largest and the strongest study on this subject that could ever be carried out so the question has essentially been answered. It was published in the New England Journal of Medicine on November 7, 2002, and you are free to look it up if you want to read some real science about this subject instead of conspiracy nonsense.

I actually wasn't thinking of the MMR vaccine, I was thinking of the use of mercury in vaccines in general, resulting in autism.

The risks associated with going unvaccinated are many hundreds of times greater than the risks associated with receiving vaccines. And yes, getting whooping cough is a life and death issue, and little hippie kids running around with rubella mean that their stupid moms are going to give birth to stillborn babies or babies who will die soon after birth.

Vaccinations save millions of lives every year, communists and hippies and yuppie wannabes are just ignorant and do not understand how protective vaccines are until an outbreak happens among their children, as has happened in the past in communities where alot of kids dont get vaccines. It happened in Westchester with pertussis, it happens periodically with the Amish (but they get a pass because its their religion), it happens on hippy communes and cult compounds and other wacko communities every now and then.

Forcing any medical treatment on people is wrong (with a very small number of exceptions). That goes without saying. And thats what I said and am repeating now. If these people want to endanger themselves and their kids thats their choice. Its just a dumb decision based on ignorance. Someone who refuses to vaccinate their children is absolutely an idiot

There is such a thing as "alternative medicine", which works well enough. I seriously doubt that any of these parents believes in no medicine at all.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

There is such a thing as "alternative medicine", which works well enough.

We had "aternative medicine" for centuries, it didn't seem able to prevent childhood diseases like measules, keep people from contracting tetanus, children dying from whooping cough, or children being deformed by polio. We have vaccines for a reason, and vaccination policies for a reason. Read some history, and you will understand that.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

I actually wasn't thinking of the MMR vaccine, I was thinking of the use of mercury in vaccines in general, resulting in autism.

Which specific vaccines are you talking about, because there are no thiomersal-containing vaccines commonly used in the USA anymore, as far as I know.

And there has never been any good research showing links between vaccines and autism. MMR was the one that was theorized to cause it, and shown not to, after a misleading and unethical article in the UK caused a public health crisis there. If you are thinking of another vaccine please be specific.

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

There is such a thing as "alternative medicine", which works well enough.

All the accupuncture in the world cant stop people from dying of smallpox but a vaccine wiped that virus off the face of the earth. ginko biloba and massages and all that other stuff wont stop a kid from getting pertussis either

Thats not to say that there is no value to alternative medicine, but when it comes to infectious diseases that are preventable by vaccines there is a vast evidence base supporting the use of vaccines, their safety, and their effectiveness. There is very little evidence, if any, to support the use of alternative medicine for preventing these diseases. The smart person bases their medical decisions on science. Idiots base them on ideology, random crap they heard from other idiots, etc

[Khairan]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

There is such a thing as "alternative medicine", which works well enough.

What is your evidence for this claim? And, why is alternative medicine inherently better than mainstream medicine?

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

What is your evidence for this claim? And, why is alternative medicine inherently better than mainstream medicine?

His evidence is in history.

ALLAH(SWT) Gave us natural cures for ever disease known to us.
The only thing stopping this is the FDA, epoch, 1906.

Natural cures don't make New Viruses either...

Before the Capitalist Monster became what it is now, there was no need for the FDA,
There still isn't, The FDA works only for the drug industry, banning natural cures for Capital Security.

(4-1-2007 Hawkeyes comments: Recently the FDA went over board again. In researching another product I found that the FDA was attacking Black Cherry Orchard Owners and suppliers. Why? From the information I found these cherry growers found out from recent medical research studies that Black Cherries are good in dealing with Arthritis and Pain in general. So they let others know of this. Thus the FDA came down on them basically for practicing medicine or advertising medicine without a license. I can not believe these people are getting away with this. The FDA is obviously working out their own agenda and it has nothing to do with protecting our health. More like suppression of our health. Since they are protecting interests in big Pharmaceutical and Chemical Companies the are in a Conspiracy and Racketeering with the end result of murder on many thousands of people for large sums of money. In fact the people are unknowingly paying for their own poison when using synthetic prescription drugs. Anna Nicole Smith is a Good example of that. The large Pharmaceutical and Chemical Industries and FDA are breaking federal laws which is an FBI jurisdiction. Let's see if the FBI steps up to the plate on this? If not then they also are part of the act.)

When ever I mention things like this even Mods neg me with comments like "wrong"

They can prove nothing to the contrary because the FDA works not for the people.

All the accupuncture in the world cant stop people from dying of smallpox but a vaccine wiped that virus off the face of the earth. ginko biloba and massages and all that other stuff wont stop a kid from getting pertussis either

Thats not to say that there is no value to alternative medicine, but when it comes to infectious diseases that are preventable by vaccines there is a vast evidence base supporting the use of vaccines, their safety, and their effectiveness. There is very little evidence, if any, to support the use of alternative medicine for preventing these diseases. The smart person bases their medical decisions on science. Idiots base them on ideology, random crap they heard from other idiots, etc

I think what he meant was Natrual cures for Disease, not for things like arthritis...or muscle pain....

Alluding Acupuncture to curing smallpox is a logical fallacy. "Modern Medicine" is not safe for human consumption.

Ever notice the ingredient list? Half of the crap in there can kill you.
The Side effects?
Something that helps you but then makes you feel like crap seems idiotic enough to me.

We had "aternative medicine" for centuries, it didn't seem able to prevent childhood diseases like measules, keep people from contracting tetanus, children dying from whooping cough, or children being deformed by polio. We have vaccines for a reason, and vaccination policies for a reason. Read some history, and you will understand that.

Actuaaaallllyyyy....
It kinda did....

Natural Cure for whopping cough


We do have vaccines for a reason...so medical practice could be an integral part of the capitalist system...not to help people but to encourage more money to be poured into school for an M.D., then for the stability of the Drug companies....who don't care about you...

Had Vioxx yet?

[MossadConspiracy]

first of all life expectancies have jumped up by a few decades during the time period you mentioned, so somebody must be doing something right.

secondly, theres a simple difference between medicine and "ayurvedic" medicine, "alternative" medicine, "homeopathic" medicine, "natural" medicine, etc

our profession is governed by science. In order for somebody to say that a medicine or a device or a procedure works, they need to have strong scientific data backing up their claim. And they can always be challenged by other studies and other data. Vioxx is a perfect example, by the way. Of course I am simplifying but thats the basic idea

In the "medicine" of cults and yogis and maharishis and acupuncturists and herbalists, some guy says that something works and people just believe him and do what he says. Just because.

and it usually doesnt work

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

first of all life expectancies have jumped up by a few decades during the time period you mentioned, so somebody must be doing something right.

Ummm....Life expectancies kinda shot down before that time period...ya know with industrialization and all...
then went up...

secondly, theres a simple difference between medicine and "ayurvedic" medicine, "alternative" medicine, "homeopathic" medicine, "natural" medicine, etc

I wholeheartedly agree

our profession is governed by science. In order for somebody to say that a medicine or a device or a procedure works, they need to have strong scientific data backing up their claim. And they can always be challenged by other studies and other data. Vioxx is a perfect example, by the way. Of course I am simplifying but thats the basic idea

Umm Voixx was on the shelf for years...
So are a lot of Growth Hormones, ya know seriods...LSD like drugs and sooo on...

Call it what you want but that ain't science, all the science is filtered by the capitalism...

In the "medicine" of cults and yogis and maharishis and acupuncturists and herbalists, some guy says that something works and people just believe him and do what he says. Just because.
and it usually doesnt work

And why do people get vaccinations?
Why do people take pain pills?

Do pain pills cure anything?
Is your body not still deteriorating...

What this Crap you call medicine does is merely give people a false sense of security...
They take medicine for depression, It makes them Suicidal.
They Take Chemo for Cancer, The Chemo kills them before the cancer.

They take vaccines for STD's and Colds...
You get New diseases like Super Aids...
and I mean come on...how many mutant cold viruses are we going to create...

There was that strain in Asia...now theres a new one here...
Obviously someone screwing up big time.

[sixpakistan]

science is haram!!!

btw, why would ayurvedic medicine - which was invented by hindus, who believe it to be healing knowledge divinely revealed by 'brahma' - be considered 'halal' by the same people who think that modern drugs are a pox on this earth? note that ayurveda also contains many 'cures' and 'health tonics' that are considered filthy by muslims.

Milk, ghee, dahi, urine and dung together are known as ‘Panchgavya’ (Cowpathy) in Ayurveda and have been found to cure many ailments of human beings and animals. However, due to dominancy of western culture on our minds, our precious ancient treasure of cowpathy has not got the due attention.

ResearchSEA - Launch of International Journal of Cow Science

mm, panchgavya! the dung is good for your heart.

for once, i agree with mossadconspiracy.