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Old 11-19-2007, 06:18 PM
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Guards 'killed Afghan civilians'

Many people reported dead in a recent bombing in Afghanistan were actually shot dead by security guards after the blast, an internal UN document says.

The report said that guards protecting Afghan MPs had fired "deliberately and indiscriminately" into crowds of civilians in northern Baghlan province.


Dozens were killed in Baghlan on 6 November, most of them schoolchildren who had gathered to greet MPs.

The attack was one of the bloodiest in Afghanistan's history.

The UN mission in Afghanistan said its leaked report was not complete and had not been officially endorsed.

'Close range'

A copy of the report by the UN Department of Safety and Security was obtained by The Associated Press news agency.


The document said it was unclear how many of the 77 people who died were killed by the bomb and how many by shooting afterwards.

"Regardless of what the exact breakdown of numbers may be, the fact remains that a number of armed men deliberately and indiscriminately fired into a crowd of unarmed civilians that posed no threat to them, causing multiple deaths and injuries," the report said, according to AP.

"It is believed that at least 100 rounds or more were fired into the crowd with a separate group of schoolchildren off to one side of the road bearing the brunt of the onslaught at close range."

Correspondents say the report is part of the UN's weekly security assessment, and is not a separate UN investigation into events in Baghlan.

Two Afghan government investigations are already under way.

UN spokesman Dan McNorton said the AP story was "premature and is based on incomplete information".

"At the moment, there is real uncertainty," he said in a statement.

"We have to be sure [about the final outcome of the Afghan investigations] before we can make a statement on it.

"We would support giving the authorities time to allow their investigations to run their course."

The Afghan authorities say a suicide bomber carried out the attack with a bomb packed full of ball bearings to inflict maximum casualties.

The bomb exploded at a sugar factory in a town in Baghlan province while a delegation of parliamentarians was visiting.

Among MPs killed was Mustafa Kazimi, a former mujahideen fighter and prominent opposition figure.

It is not clear who carried out the attack. The Taleban denied responsibility.

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and yet it seems to have happened here, triggering a massacre.
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but does hamid karzai have the audacity to declare himself 'amir al mumineen' the way mullah omar did? does hamid karzai proclaim that he is the right hand man of god and that claims that everything he does is in the name of islam? no he does not. however the taliban do. and when you do, you should be held to the highest scrutiny, not simply lauded because you invoke the name of god.
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You do know the office of Caliph is Fardh upon the community?
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You do know the office of Caliph is Fardh upon the community?
oh so now mullah omar is the calipha? tell me would you follow a shia calipha? would a shia follow a sunni calipha? throughout history there were several caliphas at any given time. there were wars fought between rival calipha's. its what sparked the sunni-shia divide 1,400 years ago. just who should be the calipha? you?
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a sunni caliph would rule over sunnis. not shias.
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a sunni caliph would rule over sunnis. not shias.
then history repeats itself. between muwaiya and ali, yazid and hussain, to the fatimids and abbassids.
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and what's with this 'rule over'? do you expect general mushy, the gulf sheiks, hosni mubarak and everyone else to just hand over power to a man claiming to be the calipha?who should appoint him? you know, wahabis have these grandious dreams, but they never really are practical in terms of the real world.
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then history repeats itself. between muwaiya and ali, yazid and hussain, to the fatimids and abbassids.
that was one of the dumbest statements i've ever read on islamica, and that's saying a lot.
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that was one of the dumbest statements i've ever read on islamica, and that's saying a lot.


well I seem to remember something about him dodging bullets ...
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and what's with this 'rule over'? do you expect general mushy, the gulf sheiks, hosni mubarak and everyone else to just hand over power to a man claiming to be the calipha?who should appoint him? you know, wahabis have these grandious dreams, but they never really are practical in terms of the real world.
Who actually expects that they would just hand power over to him? They wouldn't. They'd zealously fight him, and try to kill him through any means necessary. Therefore, any aspiring Caliph today would have to be a hardcore revolutionary idealist, willing to go to war against virtually everyone to achieve his objective. The only person who could possibly accomplish this successfully is the Mahdi.
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Who actually expects that they would just hand power over to him? They wouldn't. They'd zealously fight him, and try to kill him through any means necessary. Therefore, any aspiring Caliph today would have to be a hardcore revolutionary idealist, willing to go to war against virtually everyone to achieve his objective. The only person who could possibly accomplish this successfully is the Mahdi.
Not according to Sunni belief.

Imam Mahdi will be chosen by the army of Khurasan to rule after they defeat the rulers of Hijaz
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that was one of the dumbest statements i've ever read on islamica, and that's saying a lot.
why its a perfectly good point. what caused the sunni-shia divide? it was succession over the calipha. at one point in history you had three different caliphas in rivalry with each other. and just who should be the calipha? who should appoint him?
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