Islamican in the news: Internet Jihad Aimed at US Viewers

[Arabesque]

MossadConspiracy said

As far as I remember, he supported specific terrorists like Bin Laden and the dead Zarqawi and so on, along with the general cause of worldwide islamic extremist militants in the various theaters where they operate. Thats probably not a big deal to foreigners but its problematic here in the USA. Its not like he got locked up or anything, just labeled as an extremist which he clearly was (and is). I just feel bad for his parents

He has the right to express his feelings about those whom you wish to refer to as "terrorists". I know quite a lot of Americans support Bush, and I'm sure you realise many of us from this part of the world think Bush is a terrorist. Perception, ya akhi. It's not like the kid called for the killing of people or anything.

And in case you want to argue about his support for the ideology that supposedly calls for the killing of people, then please don't waste your time on me. You know exactly where I stand on this.

[MossadConspiracy]

Arabesque said

He has the right to express his feelings about those whom you wish to refer to as "terrorists". I know quite a lot of Americans support Bush, and I'm sure you realise many of us from this part of the world think Bush is a terrorist. Perception, ya akhi. It's not like the kid called for the killing of people or anything.

And in case you want to argue about his support for the ideology that supposedly calls for the killing of people, then please don't waste your time on me. You know exactly where I stand on this.

uh, i didnt say that he has no right to support terrorists if thats what he wants to do. As far as I know, he hasnt been harassed or arrested or faced any problems for his opinions. He's just been labelled as an extremist, and obviously an American openly supporting America's enemies is something aberrant, unusual, and extreme when it comes to the more fanatical enemies such as Bin Laden. It might be the norm in other parts of the world like dubai to support Osama Bin Laden, but not in North Carolina where this kid is from

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[bluey]

jinnzaman said

What I don't understand is why he lives in the US and holds his beliefs. At the bare minimum, he should leave the country by performing hegira.

He wanted to. But he didn't have the means yet [Or something along those lines]. He mentioned it in one of his blog posts.

Regardless of the fact that I may or may not have agreed with his views, like brother iliketofish said, we shouldn't be so quick on passing judgement. And May Allah azza wa jal guide all of us to the straight path. Ameen.

[MossadConspiracy]

bluey said

He wanted to. But he didn't have the means yet [Or something along those lines]. He mentioned it in one of his blog posts.

no, he's just all talk like almost all of the internet bin laden worshippers. Theres always some excuse for them... my mom and dad told me i cant go, i dont have the money to go, etc etc. They're just playing make-believe except they are idiots because it can get them into trouble. They should make believe theyre power rangers or something harmless instead of terrorists

[Anderson]

bluey said

He wanted to. But he didn't have the means yet [Or something along those lines]. He mentioned it in one of his blog posts.

Regardless of the fact that I may or may not have agreed with his views, like brother iliketofish said, we shouldn't be so quick on passing judgement. And May Allah azza wa jal guide all of us to the straight path. Ameen.

Cyber jihadis say things like that to make sister's weak at the knees. They want to give the impression they're hardcore as being so is an attractive trait. In reality though most people prefer to be alive than dead and so the cyber jihadis are never actually going to do what they are saying they're going to.

BTW i'm not referring to this particular guy, just cyber jihadis in particular.

[MoonStar]

bluey said

He wanted to. But he didn't have the means yet [Or something along those lines]. He mentioned it in one of his blog posts.

Regardless of the fact that I may or may not have agreed with his views, like brother iliketofish said, we shouldn't be so quick on passing judgement. And May Allah azza wa jal guide all of us to the straight path. Ameen.

I don't buy the "I don't have means" excuse. If one really wanted to go fight in Iraq or wherever you could work for a few months in Dunkin Donuts, and save a few thousand to get there, where you could find like minded people and get involved. If white converts with no traveling experience in the Muslim world or foreign language skills can end up in Afghanistan/Pakistan, I'm sure an urdu speaking kid who's been abroad could manage. If they're using their parents wishes as an excuse, I don't see how sitting at home creating trouble is being a good son. Often people don't practice what they preach, it's easy to talk about jihad when you're living a comfortable life and your parents take care of you. I guess that's why they're called cyber jihadis.

Arabesque said

He has the right to express his feelings about those whom you wish to refer to as "terrorists". I know quite a lot of Americans support Bush, and I'm sure you realise many of us from this part of the world think Bush is a terrorist. Perception, ya akhi. It's not like the kid called for the killing of people or anything.

And in case you want to argue about his support for the ideology that supposedly calls for the killing of people, then please don't waste your time on me. You know exactly where I stand on this.

Islamica is a pretty open/lenient forum, and he was banned several times for posting things in support of killing innocents. And yes he does have the right to express his views, for all his hating on the US and "disbelievers", he lives in a place that allows him to state such views. If he tried the same thing in Pakistan and said inciteful things against the government there/preached violence, he'd probably be locked up. Ironic.

[Ilikemyscarf]

cyber jihadis

[Samsiah]

iliketofish said

We challenge the media for its bias every opportunity we get, but when it hits close to "home" we believe it without questioning... whats up with that? They pick and choose quotes out of context and refuse to report his explanations. I met the brother over Eid and I pray for him- just like I pray for all my other Muslim brothers and sisters- that God guides him to that which is best.

Ameen

[AbuAbdullah]

Taken from the article

"While there is nothing to suggest that Mr. Khan is operating in concert with militant leaders, or breaking any laws . . . "

[AbuAbdullah]

Taken from the article

"While there is nothing to suggest that Mr. Khan is operating in concert with militant leaders, or breaking any laws . . . "

"He said he was somewhat surprised he had not been confronted by government authorities, although, he said, ' I’ve never told anybody to build bombs.”

"Mr. Khan recently added a disclaimer to his blog disavowing responsibility for the views expressed on the site."

[Ugur]

May Allah give us and this cyber-jihadi bro the ability to behave more reasonably.

But I don't understand how some Muslims claim that if you believe in the necessity of jihad you must immediately go and join a militant or military group in the current situation. A hadith states that anybody who dies without the intention of doing jihad in the cause of Allah is not a true believer. Thus there is no way a true Muslim can believe that jihad or war in the cause of Allah is not an obligation on him. The Qur'an is full of commands to fight those who fight you (you incuding your brethren in Islam) in the cause of Allah; therefore jihad and military resistance to the forces of Dar al Kufr is a basic part of Islam.

However, there are currently not enough weapons to arm all Muslim men in the world and not enough resources to support them while they are fighting in all the war zones between Muslims and the forces of unbelief and falsehood. Besides, at the moment, we are far behind our enemies in military, political, educational and economic terms. Most of us should therefore focus on strengthening the Ummah on such things at the present time instead of saving money to immediately start to fight in a war zone where your presence will not actually make much difference.

Unfortunately our recent predecessors have left us a retarded and Satanic world situation where killing people in the name of the American democracy and the American understanding of liberty is considered praiseworthy whereas fighting to defend the lands of Islam is disparaged as the greatest abomination. The authorities over us love the war against Allah and hate Allah and His Messenger (peace be unto him). This is a difficult situation that we are in. But it is our religious duty to be patient in this situation and refuse to give in to the demands of the unjust and God-belittling authorities whom Allah will eventually take His revenge from in this world or the next. Remember the tortures that the noble as-haab endured for their belief in what Allah's Messenger (peace be unto him) brought them from God. We must fear Allah and must not fear the worldly authorities whose power is only a transitory illusion, yes only an illusion and a transitory phase of trial for us.

This is not to mean that we should be rash and place ourselves in the mercy of those Godless authorities as this brother may have done. We should be rational. We must seek peace, object to violence against civilians and work for the days when our military jihad against unbelief will be needed in addition to our jihad in the economic, political and educational spheres. We should pray as our father Abraham (Ibrahim) prayed and seek Allah's protection from the evil of the unbelievers as much as possible.

"Our Lord! Make us not a (test and) trial for the Unbelievers, but forgive us, our Lord! for Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise." (Qur'an - 60:5)

But when the right time comes, the solution is not to seek protection from their evil only but to resist them by force as well.

How many of the prophets fought (in Allah's way), and with them (fought) large bands of godly men? But they never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's way, nor did they weaken (in will) nor give in. And Allah Loves those who are firm and steadfast.

All that they said was: "Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and anything we may have done that transgressed our duty: Establish our feet firmly, and help us against those that resist Faith."

(Qur'an - 3: 146,147)

By the way, those people who have some power of reason know that the Fire that God prepared for the unbelievers is more terrible than the Guantanamo Bay.

[jinnzaman]

AbuAbdullah said

Taken from the article

"While there is nothing to suggest that Mr. Khan is operating in concert with militant leaders, or breaking any laws . . . "

"He said he was somewhat surprised he had not been confronted by government authorities, although, he said, ' I’ve never told anybody to build bombs.”

"Mr. Khan recently added a disclaimer to his blog disavowing responsibility for the views expressed on the site."

In terms of violating any laws, the message he's conveying might not violate any laws, however, the images and videos may reveal American troop positions and other classified information and that might make him liable for a conviction.

[bluey]

Good post Ugur.

Anyway, they've written a few responses to the article in their blog, if anyone is interested. [The second post is a bit long].

Clarifying a misconception from the New York Times interview « Clash of Civilizations

Clarifying issues in The New York Times article « Clash of Civilizations

[ShiaHazara]

Arabesque said

In all honesty, except for the massive hijrah he was propagating, where he wanted to reorganise the world into two different blocs - everything else he said seems reasonable to me.

posting a fatwa calling for the deaths of american civilians by bin laden is reasonable to you?

[ShiaHazara]

in all honesty though, i really have no pity for him. i just hope him and others who think like him are locked up behind bars and never see daylight again.