[roberto]

The ethnic minorities 'who feel stronger ties to Britain than whites'
By STEVE DOUGHTY Last updated at 07:38am on 5th October 2007


Many black or Asian people living in Britain feel stronger ties to the country than whites do, a survey has found.

Nine in ten Bangladeshis and nearly as many of Indian origin feel strongly that they belong to Britain, it said.

So do 87 per cent of Pakistani people and 85 per cent of Black Caribbeans.

But only 84 per cent of whites said the same - meaning that around one in six white people have only a slender attachment to their own country.


The survey also found that whites are more likely than those from ethnic minorities to believe that race prejudice and discrimination is getting worse.

And they are less likely to think they can influence events or decisions in their own neighbourhood.

The Citizenship Survey, carried out by the Department for Communities and Local Government, is aimed at measuring the success of efforts to help minorities integrate and encourage a common sense of nationhood.

The evidence it found pointing to increasing disillusionment among the white majority follows suggestions this week that one in three is considering emigrating.



Hazel Blears: 'Survey shows our commitment to fair play'
Official figures estimate that last year nearly 200,000 people left the country to live abroad.
At the same time, the survey's claim that a huge majority among minority ethnic people feel strongly British appears to be contradicted by the separation of different groups obvious in some cities.

Trevor Phillips, head of the Government's equalities commission, has warned that many areas are "sleepwalking to segregation", and support for extremist groups among some Muslims lingers.

Last week figures on ethnic minorities and schools confirmed that schools in some city areas remain dominated by single minority racial and religious groups.

This summer, the Communities Department abandoned the Government's longstanding attachment to the Left-wing doctrine of multiculturalism - now blamed for encouraging separatism - and instead began advocating integration and "cohesion".

But Communities Secretary Hazel Blears said: "Britain has a great deal to be proud of.

"This survey shows our commitment to fairness, fair play and civic duty hold true and we live in a society where the overwhelming majority of people get on well together.

"The fact that so many people feel such a strong connection to Britain is evidence that there remains more uniting us than dividing us."

The survey was conducted among nearly 10,000 people chosen to be representative of the country as a whole, and another 5,000 from ethnic minorities.

The ethnic minorities 'who feel stronger ties to Britain than whites' | the Daily Mail

[Bluestar]

Everyone likes something new. I reckon english people are tired of being conservative and "dull" and would like to really get into other cultures, whereas people from other cultures are tired of the same old, same old of their cultures and are liking the independence and entertainment of the english culture.

It's the way we are.

[Revert]

Britain isn't a country its a Kingdom. If they did the same survey and changed Britain with "English" "Scottish" "Welsh" or "Northern Irish" then I think you would get a different result.

People have more affinity to the country rather than the Kingdom.

[IbnMardhiyah]

I'm sure the low European birth-rates aren't helping either.

[roberto]

Originally Posted by Revert

Britain isn't a country its a Kingdom. If they did the same survey and changed Britain with "English" "Scottish" "Welsh" or "Northern Irish" then I think you would get a different result.

People have more affinity to the country rather than the Kingdom.

The Irish, Scots, Welsh and N/Irish display considerable nationalism, however the English are only just beginning to recover theirs as they experience devolution and fear of the loss of identity due to the rapid increase in immigration

[Revert]

Originally Posted by roberto

The Irish, Scots, Welsh and N/Irish display considerable nationalism, however the English are only just beginning to recover theirs as they experience devolution and fear of the loss of identity due to the rapid increase in immigration

Actually "English" people are notoriously Nationalistic. If they weren't there wouldn't be as much racism as there is.

All of this is irrelavant to the original post as it is stating that Britain is a country when its not.

[roberto]

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Actually "English" people are notoriously Nationalistic. If they weren't there wouldn't be as much racism as there is.

These are not my experience.

All of this is irrelavant to the original post as it is stating that Britain is a country when its not

Don't you think your being some-what pedantic and in being so missing the point of the article?

[Revert]

Originally Posted by roberto

These are not my experience.

As a native to the UK and living in a majority white neighbourhood, my experience is that of racism and predudice. Maybe being a Brit but not English gives you a different outlook hence your experience being different to mine.

The latent racism is present in the everyday language of the average white Brit.

Originally Posted by roberto

Don't you think your being some-what pedantic and in being so missing the point of the article?

Actually no I don't. I feel that to present a convincing argument in an article or peice of writing, one should attempt to get the facts right however insignificant they appear to be.

[Aryan_]

I think roberto is revising for his British citizenship test.

Originally Posted by Revert

Actually "English" people are notoriously Nationalistic. If they weren't there wouldn't be as much racism as there is.

All of this is irrelavant to the original post as it is stating that Britain is a country when its not.

English are nationalistic but its not as organised as the Scottish, Welsh and Ulster nationalism, especially in a political context.

[roberto]

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As a native to the UK and living in a majority white neighbourhood, my experience is that of racism and predudice. Maybe being a Brit but not English gives you a different outlook hence your experience being different to mine.

The latent racism is present in the everyday language of the average white Brit.

We shall have to agree to disagree,btw when did you leave the UK?

Actually no I don't. I feel that to present a convincing argument in an article or peice of writing, one should attempt to get the facts right however insignificant they appear to be

Well in case you didn't appreciate it, the Uk press has for sometime been criticising Muslims and other minority groups for a lack of integration and Britishness, English, or any other part of the UK, if you wish, but here we have some results which suggest the opposite.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by roberto

We shall have to agree to disagree,btw when did you leave the UK?

About 2 years ago.

Originally Posted by roberto

Well in case you didn't appreciate it, the Uk press has for sometime been criticising Muslims and other minority groups for a lack of integration and Britishness, English, or any other part of the UK, if you wish, but here we have some results which suggest the opposite.

I understand, thganks for putting it in context.

Originally Posted by Aryan_

I think roberto is revising for his British citizenship test.



English are nationalistic but its not as organised as the Scottish, Welsh and Ulster nationalism, especially in a political context.

True, but we do have our own Nationalistic Political Party...the BNP...they are a racist bunch but I can't say I have seen anything quite as fierce to come out of any of the other countries in the Kingdom. So it is organised to exten but only in an extreme form.

[ibnishaq]

i am white, and to be quite honest.. white people just do not care about patriotism. i mean if someone lives in britian.. they live in britian.. there is no need to feel they belong there, or to be all prideful.

i think that is the main thing with white people, notable white youth and europeans. americans are a bit different, but europeans.. they can care less about pride. everyone is just ppl, and countries are just.. a section of land.

[roberto]

Originally Posted by Revert

True, but we do have our own Nationalistic Political Party...the BNP...they are a racist bunch but I can't say I have seen anything quite as fierce to come out of any of the other countries in the Kingdom. So it is organised to exten but only in an extreme form.

I think it should be mentioned that the BNP have very few supporters, which, if as is claimed by some, the English are nationalistic is rather surprising, or is there another nationalistic, well supported, party that I am not aware of?

[Revert]

Originally Posted by ibnishaq

i am white, and to be quite honest.. white people just do not care about patriotism. i mean if someone lives in britian.. they live in britian.. there is no need to feel they belong there, or to be all prideful.

i think that is the main thing with white people, notable white youth and europeans. americans are a bit different, but europeans.. they can care less about pride. everyone is just ppl, and countries are just.. a section of land.

White Brits i Have come across do not consider themselves European, and are fiercely NAtionalistic, maybe its a regoinal thing though?

Originally Posted by roberto

I think it should be mentioned that the BNP have very few supporters, which, if as is claimed by some, the English are nationalistic is rather surprising, or is there another nationalistic, well supported, party that I am not aware of?

The BNP are overtly Nationistic , Nationalistic to the point of Racist, however they ahve secured local seats of Government in certain areas which is quite disturbing to me.

HOwever It might be a regional thing in regards to Nationlism and the English. The further North you travel the more Patriotic/Nationistic people can be.

[roberto]

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White Brits i Have come across do not consider themselves European, and are fiercely NAtionalistic, maybe its a regoinal thing though?

Anti European and Nationalistic atittudes are not necessarily related

The BNP are overtly Nationistic , Nationalistic to the point of Racist, however they ahve secured local seats of Government in certain areas which is quite disturbing to me.

HOwever It might be a regional thing in regards to Nationlism and the English. The further North you travel the more Patriotic/Nationistic people can be

Some northern cities have had a big influx of immigrants who have settled in distinct areas creating ghettos; this has caused problems with the