[Nana]

Turkey's prime minister called wednesday for lifting a ban on women wearing head scarves in universities, but the secularist military and "modern" Turkey elite make the pressure against it. Their arguments are so trivial. What is wrong with those people? It is a tabu in many Christian countries to ban headscarfs, because its the fundamental right, not a religious symbol and they pretend not to understand this. But I think it is just the course of the same elite that wants to secure the society and wealthy positions against the rising intellectual power of people who come to Ankara, Istambul from rural parts of Turkey to educate. They were good while they were invisible working force, but now when they want to have a say in the society, that scares the rich elite. They want to shut them down. I think many Turks suffer from inferiority complex towards the west and have huge identity crisis. Just read one of Orhan Pamuk novels and its obvious. So they made it in destroying the rich cultur, art and replaced it by bad EU immitations. Ataturk really messed their minds. And my people became Muslims during their presence in Balkans, where did that go now?

BBC NEWS | Europe | Women condemn Turkey constitution

The Associated Press: Turkish Leader: Lift Head Scarf Ban

[Ugur]

The article from BBC that you quoted shows that western people are not better or more intelligent than the rich Turkish elites who want to bar religious Muslims from having a say in the running of their country.

The article is a very retarded one. It is based on the untrue and anti-Islamic statements made by some women's groups who do not represent the majority of Turkish women, as all of the members of such groups belong to the rich, secularist and west-worshipping elite that you, sister Nana, mentioned above.

"Tell me your friend and I will tell you who you are," we say in Turkish. Western journalists and intellectuals indicate their shallowness and retardedness by their choice of friends. The rich secularist anti-Islamics are certainly the worst choice of friends to make.

[farah]

Originally Posted by Ugur

The article from BBC that you quoted shows that western people are not better or more intelligent than the rich Turkish elites who want to bar religious Muslims from having a say in the running of their country.

The article is a very retarded one. It is based on the untrue and anti-Islamic statements made by some women's groups who do not represent the majority of Turkish women, as all of the members of such groups belong to the rich, secularist and west-worshipping elite that you, sister Nana, mentioned above.

"Tell me your friend and I will tell you who you are," we say in Turkish. Western journalists and intellectuals indicate their shallowness and retardedness by their choice of friends. The rich secularist anti-Islamics are certainly the worst choice of friends to make.

maybe you'd like to enlighten us on the headscarf ban in turkey?

we'll be waiting. thanks.

[Ugur]

I don't understand what enlightenment you are talking about. If you want to hear more objective news about the ban from Turkey, check web sites like TODAY'S ZAMAN.

93 % of the Turks are at peace with the headscarf and think it must be allowed to be worn in universities and the public space, but the European Court of Human Rights legitimizes the anti-Islamic, secularist ban on the headscarf. Another evidence of the silent collaboration of western elites with the Turkish secularists, anti-Islamics. Therefore, please don't blame only the Turkish secularists regarding the hijab ban. Blame their western collaborators too.

[Pushpa]

Turkey's secular elite fears that lifting the head scarf ban will have a snowball effect — putting pressure on women to wear ever more conservative attire and opening new avenues for the government to impose Islam on public and private life.

This is the biggest pile of rubbish I have ever heard. Isn't there a very basic difference between PERMITTING and IMPOSING? If the Turkish 'secular elite' are so worried about 'imposing Islam on public and private life', then what are they doing if not 'imposing *secularism* on public and private life'? They're still telling people how to dress, interefering with their civil liberties, so WHAT is the difference between their regime and Saudi?

Ooh, ooh, here's a thought. Why not let everyone wear whatever the heck they want? huh? Wow, what an unusual thought. How about we let people DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES? Oh, goodness, that's a bit of a radical idea. I don't know if the country could handle that. Maybe the sky will cave in and eradicate all stupidity from this planet and then we wouldn't have to deal with 'elites' talking out of their backsides.

[Nana]

Originally Posted by Pushpa

This is the biggest pile of rubbish I have ever heard. Isn't there a very basic difference between PERMITTING and IMPOSING? If the Turkish 'secular elite' are so worried about 'imposing Islam on public and private life', then what are they doing if not 'imposing *secularism* on public and private life'? They're still telling people how to dress, interefering with their civil liberties, so WHAT is the difference between their regime and Saudi?

Ooh, ooh, here's a thought. Why not let everyone wear whatever the heck they want? huh? Wow, what an unusual thought. How about we let people DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES? Oh, goodness, that's a bit of a radical idea. I don't know if the country could handle that. Maybe the sky will cave in and eradicate all stupidity from this planet and then we wouldn't have to deal with 'elites' talking out of their backsides.

agree on that

[MuslimahDaTurkish]

Turkish people dont support the hijab ban, and it will be dashed out soon

[arabookworm]

its actually more like imposing atheism than secularism, because in other secular countries, gov run stuff can't do anything based on religion, but this is keeping people from practicing a religion. its ridiculous