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Default Afghan models reveal the beauty under the burqa

This article makes me sad. I hope these girls realise exposing yourself is not the way 'forward.' And secondly, I don't understand how clothes someone wears can help in developing a Country.

By Jon Hemming
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Afghan models reveal the beauty under the burqa - Yahoo! News



MAZAR-I-SHARIF, Afghanistan (Reuters) - A model strutting the catwalk is hardly revolutionary in most countries, but Afghan television's answer to "America's Next Top Model" is breaking boundaries and revealing the beauty under the burqa.

Nearly six years after the overthrow of the strict Islamist Taliban government, almost all women in deeply conservative Afghanistan still only appear in public wafting past in the burqa's pale blue, their dark eyes only occasionally visible behind the bars of its grille.

But in the relatively liberal northern Afghan city of Mazar-i-Sharif, a local television station has started to show a different image of Afghan women with an extremely low-budget take on the hit "America's Next Top Model," a reality TV show in which judges choose prospective models from a group of contestants over several weeks.

"I was really enthusiastic to make this program because I wanted the girls to present the clothes and themselves," said Sosan Soltani, the 18-year-old director of the program.

"Afghanistan is free and these girls are the future of this country," she said.

Four girls in brightly colored traditional costumes with baggy pants and long loose-fitting shawls and headscarves strode down the impromptu catwalk decked out in traditional Afghan rugs. Seemingly less confident than their Western counterparts, they avoided the gaze of the all-male film crew and press.

A quick change later, the same four appeared in camouflage combat trousers, sneakers and embroidered smocks. Then came denim jeans, open-toed sandals and colorful lightweight jackets.

None of this would be at all risque in the West, but in Afghanistan, such attire can spark outrage, especially when broadcast on television.

"According to Sharia law, Islam is absolutely against this," said Afghan Muslim cleric Abdul Raouf. "Not only is it banned by Islamic Sharia law, but if we apply Sharia law and to take this issue to justice, these girls should be punished."

"A STEP FORWARD"

More than 10 other models due to take part in the program failed to turn up after hearing that members of the international press would be present, fearing the wider broadcast of the show could lead to trouble for them, their friends said.

Those who did brave the possible backlash were determined.

"It is a great idea I think for Afghan girls, to encourage them to go a step forward," said 19-year-old model Katayoun Timour.

"We know that in Afghan society 90 percent of people think it is not good, that it's absolutely wrong," she said of the program. "We had objections from people, but I tell them it is not something bad, they should see it in a positive way."

But on the streets of Mazar-i-Sharif, it was hard to find anyone who objected to the program, especially among the young.

"It is a good program," said 28-year-old shopkeeper Ahmad Sear. "People watch and like it, especially women are interested in this program -- through this program and the clothes they wear, they might be able to develop their country."

"Young people are interested in fashion and the program introduces new clothes to them," said businessman Ahmad Nasir. "It also complies with Afghan culture, so it's fine."

But asked if he looked more at the clothes or the girls, he replied with a smile: "The girls of course." Then added, "the clothes are important though."

Model Timour said she wanted the outside world to see a different image of Afghan women.

"I have seen outside Afghanistan they have a different kind of idea about women in Afghanistan -- they think they are always wearing the burqa and sitting at home but it is not like that," she said. "Girls in Afghanistan are beautiful."
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It's just the beginning it seems, we'll see how far they let it go. We just want to get with the times, so we can 'westernize' the country. sad.
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They have fashion shows in other Muslim countries, Iran has special "oficial" fashion shows to broadcast how to dress "fashionably" and Islamically. It's hard to say that these women were doing anything wrong, since we didn't see any pictures. If they were properly covered (and a burqa isn't the only way to be properly covered) then what's wrong with it?
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im failing to see what is revealed....
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I don't find this surprising. An Afghani "princess" once told me how she reminisces the days when Afghanistan was more "modern" and "secular" than Turkey. When most women, she said, felt safe to go out in sleeveless clothes and stylish pants.

It's similar to the case of many Saudi women, who are known to take off their niqaabs, hijabs and abayas the moment the planes land at their destination city. State-imposed modesty is important and necessary, but state-imposed hijab will never allow women to appreciate and understand the meaning and the beauty of hijab.
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This article makes me sad. I hope these girls realise exposing yourself is not the way 'forward.' And secondly, I don't understand how clothes someone wears can help in developing a Country.
It didn't sound like these girls were 'exposing themselves' per se. But yeh, I don't see how this is going to help the country out so much.
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It didn't sound like these girls were 'exposing themselves' per se. But yeh, I don't see how this is going to help the country out so much.
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It is not about this particulal gils being exposed or not, but what is the whole thing of fashion modeling doing in muslim countries. Women being used as commercial objects for clothes? That is the problem here. We are the champions in immitating the worst of the west.
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They have fashion shows in other Muslim countries, Iran has special "oficial" fashion shows to broadcast how to dress "fashionably" and Islamically. It's hard to say that these women were doing anything wrong, since we didn't see any pictures. If they were properly covered (and a burqa isn't the only way to be properly covered) then what's wrong with it?
i saw pictures
isnt there a slide show when you click the link?
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they weren't properly covered.
i mean hello? hair?
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They have fashion shows in other Muslim countries, Iran has special "oficial" fashion shows to broadcast how to dress "fashionably" and Islamically. It's hard to say that these women were doing anything wrong, since we didn't see any pictures. If they were properly covered (and a burqa isn't the only way to be properly covered) then what's wrong with it?
If the fashion shows were only for Women by Women and no Men were present I would still have been okay about it.

Secondly, if a Muslim Country decides to practice something it does not necessarily mean it is Islamically acceptable.

There are so many things Islamically wrong with this. Everyone knows for a fashion show, you are required to do a Cat-Walk, which is a provocative walk. Secondly, the purpose of Hijaab is to conceal, not reveal. And obviously, the latter is what is happening here. And there are Men just sitting there and watching them, Men are required to lower their gaze. Also, I'm sure not all of those Men sitting will have only pure thoughts about those Women.

“Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts..." (An-Nur:30)

The Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam used to advise his companions not to even hold halaqas on the streets.

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Beware of sitting in the street.” They said, “We have no alternative; that is where we sit and talk.” He said, “If you insist on sitting there, then give the street its rights.” They said, “What are the rights of the street?” He said, “Lowering the gaze and refraining from causing offence…” (Al-Bukhari and Muslim).

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But asked if he looked more at the clothes or the girls, he replied with a smile: "The girls of course." Then added, "the clothes are important though."
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Afghanistan to develop and the people, especially Women to prosper. But doing 'fashion shows' should not be their top priority. I would think more along the lines of education and developing skills.
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"According to Sharia law, Islam is absolutely against this," said Afghan Muslim cleric Abdul Raouf. "Not only is it banned by Islamic Sharia law, but if we apply Sharia law and to take this issue to justice, these girls should be punished."
i wonder what type of punishment he feels is necessary.

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It's similar to the case of many Saudi women, who are known to take off their niqaabs, hijabs and abayas the moment the planes land at their destination city. State-imposed modesty is important and necessary, but state-imposed hijab will never allow women to appreciate and understand the meaning and the beauty of hijab.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Afghanistan to develop and the people, especially Women to prosper. But doing 'fashion shows' should not be their top priority. I would think more along the lines of education and developing skills.
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