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I have to disagree. If I didn't have to "spread rep" bruin, you'd have one from me by now..


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Bruin: how do you subscribe to this modern love column?
Hmmm... Not sure. I just got into the habit of checking for it each week. It's in the style section of the NY Times.
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I'm not having a moment. Its just getting tiresome to read about people bicker over the most minute details. If no one else is debating a point and its clearly personal, then switch to PM. The entire world doesn't need to view such a debacle.

Okaaayyyyyy.

Now back to the real topic!

I found this one really sad . Alhamdulillah for our gift of sight. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/02/fa...=1&oref=slogin
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Want to Be My Boyfriend? Please Define

By MARGUERITE FIELDS


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Then it came. The story. The long, boring, aggravatingly rehearsed and condescending story. It spewed, overflowed and dripped off our table and onto the floor and underneath the shoes of the other patrons and into the street. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ................................
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omg, I can't read stuff like this when pregnant.

post more bruinrab!
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hmm surely some admin can just delete all of sally's jelly's and sixpak's posts so this thread is easier to read..

i agree please please post more these articles are addictive!!

the first was sad in that sarcastic black humour kinda way... i hope she finds someone who truly doesnt have a shady non committed attitude....

n the last so so sad.... n yet he found someone even after a marriage for 14 yrs... isn't it just weird how life is soo different and who finds love and who doesnt is just unpredictable...
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woooo who's the genius who removed the excess posts? I was gonna go through and delete mine but it was soooo tedious. Thanks to whoever did it
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The Chicken's in the Oven, My Husband's Out the Door

By THEO PAULINE NESTOR

Published: November 21, 2004

SOME marriages grind slowly to a halt. Others, like mine, explode midflight, a space shuttle torn asunder in the clear blue sky as the stunned crowd watches in disbelief. And the hazardous debris from the catastrophe just keeps raining down.

It was late September, still warm but past the last hot stretch of Indian summer. I had waited for a day cool enough to roast a chicken for my husband and two young daughters. When I put the five-pound chicken in the oven, a shower of fresh green herbs clinging to its breast, our marriage was still intact. By the time I pulled it out, my husband had left our house and driven away for good, his car stuffed with clothes slipping off their hangers.

It was my call to the bank to check our balance that caused the fatal blow-up. Although my husband's destructive compulsions with money had threatened our marriage before, I believed those days were long behind us. But that afternoon, without even trying to, I discovered the truth: far from changing his ways, he had simply become more secretive. I confronted him. And that, as they say, was that.

So the roast chicken fed only one person that night: our 9-year-old daughter, Elizabeth. I couldn't eat, and our 5-year-old, Grace, announced she wouldn't eat a real chicken, only chicken nuggets. I took the red box from the freezer, plucked out five tawny squares, heated them in the microwave and placed them in front of Grace, who believed, as did her sister, that their father had gone downtown to meet a friend and that he and this friend were going on an impromptu car trip. "Dad will come home in a week," I told them. I didn't know what else to say.

I THOUGHT of my childhood friend Nancy, whose marriage had fallen apart a year earlier. I have three friends from childhood I am still close to; coincidentally, all four of us married around our 30th birthdays. For 10 years we beat the odds. Then Nancy's marriage broke up, and now, with mine, our little group reflected that often-cited statistic: half of all marriages end in divorce.

At Nancy's wedding, the minister had briefly turned his attention from the newlyweds to address the group directly. "It is up to the community to hold a couple together," he had said in his commanding voice. "Each of you here is responsible for remembering for this couple the love that brought them together and the commitment they've made."

I took his words to heart, silently vowing to support Nancy and Terry, to remind Nancy of Terry's strengths some day when she might vent to me after a marital spat. Despite their vows and my support, despite 10 years and two sons, their marriage couldn't be held together. And now, despite 11 years and two daughters, neither could mine.

The women I grew up with, like most women today, have tangible, marketable skills. One is an electrician, another a graphic artist, a third a nurse. Inside or outside a marriage, they can support themselves. I, too, am a well-educated woman with a decent work history who actually made more money than my husband when we married. I prided myself on being self-sufficient. But we both wanted someone to be home with the kids and we decided it would be me, so I stopped working and let him support us. And now I've ended up in the same vulnerable position I once thought was the fate only of women who married straight out of high school, with no job experience beyond summer gigs at the Dairy Queen.

Not that I would have done it differently. I have valued my time with our daughters more than any other experience I've had. But for a stay-at-home mom like me, divorce isn't just divorce. It's more like divorce plus being fired from a job, because you can no longer afford to keep your job at home, the one you gave up your career for. When I worked as an English professor at the community college, we called people like me displaced homemakers. I can now imagine legions of gingham-aproned Betty Crockers spinning perpetually, forever tracing their feather dusters across imaginary furniture, never ceasing to "make" the "home" that is no longer there. Now that my income has dwindled to child support and a meager "maintenance" check, I must leave this job and get a "real" one. I add up our expenses for a month and then subtract his contribution. The remaining total indicates that to keep the girls and myself out of debt, I will need to net a third more than the most I've ever made.

And divorce is its own job, with its course of study, its manuals. One of the many divorce books heaped on the floor beside my bed urges me to develop two stories about the break-up: a private one and a public one. I'm told that I should practice a few sentences that I can recite (in the grocery store, on the playground) without excessive emotion, a sort of campaign slogan for my divorce. And it does seem as if much of my daily work involves negotiating the snowy pass between my private and public self. Alone, I shriek into my pillow, and I shout "Bonehead" through the closed car window as I drive past my ex's new apartment. In public, I am stoic, detached, nodding philosophically as a married mother from Elizabeth's soccer team tells me: "Your grief is like a house. One day you'll be in the room of sorrow and the next you might be in anger."

A humbled divorcée, I can only act as if all this is news to me.

"And oh, denial!" she adds. "That's a room, too — don't forget."

Eventually you have to tell everyone who hasn't heard through the grapevine. Some people get "the whole story" and some just get the abridged "we've separated" version.

THE whole-story people are exhausting. At first it's all relief and adrenaline as you recount the moment you realized the shuttle was breaking apart. But then you are overwhelmed with dread as you come to understand how many whole-story people there are in your life. Still ahead are countless oh-my-gods and I'm-so-sorrys and you-must-be-kiddings. You hear sympathetic and understandable questions coming at you, and your tongue grows thick and unfamiliar forming all those words one more time. You consider a form letter:

Dear Good Friend Who Deserves the Whole Story

I'm sorry this is coming to you as a form letter.

I'm sorry about a lot.

I'm just sorry.

Or perhaps there could be a Web site: http://www..whatthehellhappened.com complete with a FAQ link.

Q. What about the children?

A. They live with me but will stay with him every Friday and every first, third and fifth Thursday night as well as the first Saturday of every month. Yes, it's hard to remember which week it is.

Q. Will reconciliation be possible?

A. No. If you read the whole story you will understand why. (Use password to access the secure site.)

Q. Are you O.K.?

A. No, I'm not. Thanks for asking.

Q. Is there anything we can do to help?

A. Yes. Click on the Send Money link below.

When I took off my wedding rings, my finger had atrophied underneath in a manner that seems excessively symbolic. I protect this white band with my thumb like a wound. I look at other women's ring fingers: gold bands, simple solitaires, swirling clusters of diamonds. The fact that they've managed to keep those rings in place seems miraculous, a defiance of gravity. When I wore my rings, I was a different person, emboldened in the way one can be in a Halloween costume. I could laugh as loudly as I wanted and go out with dirty hair and sweat pants. I was married. Someone loved me and it showed. I could refer to a husband in conversations with a new friend or a store clerk. They didn't care if I was married or not, but I did. My ring said: You can't touch me. It's like base in a game of tag. You're safe.

Now, when I go to bed I turn the electric blanket to high and let the heat soak into my skin. Sometimes, lying here, I think of this divorce business as something like flu. The feverish beginnings, as miserable and sweaty as they are, are somehow easier to get through (they are a blur, really) than the many half-well, half-sick days that follow, days when you're not sure what to do. You're too well to lie in bed watching TV but too sick to go out and do all the things well people are expected to do.

To fall asleep, I resort to the old routine of counting my blessings. I count my daughters over and over again. I count their health, their happiness, the gift of who they are. I urge myself to find something else I am grateful for but can't. And then I realize there is something.

It's this rawness of spirit, the way the crust of my middle-age shell has been blown off me, and here I am, the real me. I am no longer the person who can pretend everything's O.K. I can no longer think of myself as "safe" or protected. I know now it is up to me to hunt, to gather and to keep shelter warm.
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some of the stories are extra gay but a lot of them make me wanna cry
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that last one.. truly and unbelievably sad
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I think I'll just print those articles off..I hate reading long stuff online. Kills my eyes.
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"Your grief is like a house. One day you'll be in the room of sorrow and the next you might be in anger."

A humbled divorcée, I can only act as if all this is news to me.

"And oh, denial!" she adds. "That's a room, too — don't forget."

Eventually you have to tell everyone who hasn't heard through the grapevine. Some people get "the whole story" and some just get the abridged "we've separated" version.

THE whole-story people are exhausting.
At first it's all relief and adrenaline as you recount the moment you realized the shuttle was breaking apart. But then you are overwhelmed with dread as you come to understand how many whole-story people there are in your life. Still ahead are countless oh-my-gods and I'm-so-sorrys and you-must-be-kiddings. You hear sympathetic and understandable questions coming at you, and your tongue grows thick and unfamiliar forming all those words one more time. You consider a form letter:

I urge myself to find something else I am grateful for but can't. And then I realize there is something.

It's this rawness of spirit, the way the crust of my middle-age shell has been blown off me, and here I am, the real me. I am no longer the person who can pretend everything's O.K. I can no longer think of myself as "safe" or protected. I know now it is up to me to hunt, to gather and to keep shelter warm.
Tell me about it.... one time I told someone to wait a week before i told her the story because i was so exhausted after telling somebody else...but she wanted to hear it *now*
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I Married a Republican: There, I Said It
By ANN HOOD
Published: February 17, 2008

IT was happening again. I was at a cocktail party where the hosts were people I had just met, people I wanted to become friends with, and was sipping chardonnay and nibbling papadum chips when a woman said, “Oh, the people next door! They’re ...,” she paused and lowered her voice, “ ... Republican.”

Everyone grimaced. The conversation quickly turned to complaints about the current administration. Before long it wasn’t just the administration being bashed but Republicans in general.

I stood there nodding, my dirty secret lodged in my throat like a golf ball.

The woman I wanted to befriend looked at me conspiratorially and shook her head. “Can you imagine?” she said. “Right next door!”

“No,” I lied.

Not only could I imagine a Republican in my neighborhood, I could imagine one in my bed. Every night. I’m a Democrat married to a Republican.

And I am not just an average Democrat — I lean way, way left. I marched along Fifth Avenue protesting the 1991 Persian Gulf war. I rode a bus to Albany to march against the death penalty. When I enter a voting booth, I choose all the candidates in the same column, without hesitation. My last love, before my husband, Lorne, had grown up in Berkeley, Calif., in the 60s. He was so far left, he made me look centrist.

On my first date with Lorne, over black ink pasta and Chianti, I ranted about union busting.

“Wow,” he said. “You’re pretty passionate about this.”

If he had said, “Wow, you must be a Democrat,” would I have ended the date? Maybe. I had never had an actual relationship with a Republican. Wisely, he did not confess that night. But after I ranted some more, I had a strange feeling that he might disagree with me.

“You’re a Democrat,” I said, “right?”

My husband has a beautiful face, and right then he leaned his beautiful face close to mine and said: “I vote for the best candidate. I read everything I can. I listen to them speak. And I vote for the person who can do the best job.”

“Really?” I said. I didn’t know anyone who did that. Everyone I knew only read about and listened to and voted for Democrats. I remember thinking that he was a good person, a fair person, a better person than I was with my rigid values and unwavering commitment to liberal politics.

Here was how Republican he was: in the early ’90s, he was drafted to run for lieutenant governor of our state on the Republican ticket. But here is how open-minded he has always been: his candidacy was undone when a reporter discovered he had been a registered Democrat since college, and although he had long since stepped to the other side of the aisle, he had never gone to the trouble of undoing that. (He soon did.)

Whatever his current politics, it was too late: I had already fallen in love with his combination of whimsy and steadfastness, his ability to fix broken doors, his wanderlust and just plain lust.

What can I say? Love can sidetrack a person. Still, it did not feel good when I told myself: I love a Republican. It felt, in fact, like I had betrayed someone. Or many people.

Slowly, my close friends and family met Lorne. And slowly, one by one, they took me aside. “Ann,” they would hiss, “he’s a Republican.”

“But he’s pro-choice,” I would say, hanging on to the one political stance he and I actually shared.

“But he’s a Republican,” they would say.

Slowly, I met his friends. Clinton was president then, popular and charismatic. But at my first dinner party with his three oldest friends and their wives, I had to listen to them complain about Clinton. This was before Monica. What was there not to love about Clinton before Monica? Well, I guess if you disagreed with what he stood for, there was a lot not to love. But how could you not agree with what he stood for? Such was my worldview.

Everyone I knew felt optimistic about the United States back then. Except those people. I stared at the strange new faces, faces I imagined I would have to see for the rest of my life. They fell from moderate to very conservative — all of them right of center. How had I ended up here?

“You told me you voted for the best candidate!” I said to him later.

“I do,” he said. “They just happen to be mostly Republicans.”

Angry with him and myself, I began to argue about every political issue that landed on our doorstep with the morning paper. The more I argued, the more I saw how little we agreed. Being in favor of abortion rights was important, necessary even. But was it enough?

Whenever we were with my friends, I would silently tally who was on which side. Inevitably it was my friends, blue; my husband, red. The opposite was also true. Almost without exception, his friends voted red, and I was a minority of one.

Tired of clenching my teeth during their dinner debates about the evils of the Democrats — their flawed policies and lack of morality — I began to fight back. I screamed about partial birth abortion and defended President Clinton over the Monica debacle during an endless dinner at a country club, then cringed at their party-line responses. Lorne at least isn’t as conservative as these people, I told myself. But that offered little solace.

When a friend and I were hosts to a John Kerry fund-raiser, she breezily talked about having Lorne and her husband pick up the wine and gather signatures.

I swallowed hard. “Lorne isn’t coming.”

“Is he out of town that night?” she asked, her face so innocent and open.

I shook my head, avoiding her gaze. “He’s on the other side,” I managed.

“Huh?”

“He goes the other way,” I tried.

Now she was frowning at me. I had no choice. “He’s not a Democrat,” I finally said. Easier, I figured, than saying the “R” word out loud. Even so, I had rendered her speechless.

The night of the fund-raiser, Lorne and I had a fight about whether he could go at all. “Why would you?” I asked, imagining him explaining to everyone why he didn’t want Kerry to win. He did end up going but kept characteristically quiet about his politics. Maybe I imagined the looks of pity that people shot my way that night?

Then we invaded Iraq, and nobody was able to find any weapons of mass destruction, and I knew Lorne would see the error of his ways. Rather than gloat, I decided to forgive. I pointed to a front-page article and said, “Now that we know Bush misled us. ... ” I looked at my husband’s face and stopped. “You don’t still support him, do you?”

“Well,” he started, “until we know all the facts. ... ”

As luck would have it, we had dinner that night with a group of his old friends. Without politics, these friends always strike me as being warm and caring. But whenever that line is crossed, they seem insane to me, rabid and unreasonable. That night, however, when I heard myself screaming, “Condoleezza Rice is a liar! Rumsfeld is a war criminal!” it became clear that it was not his stridency that was causing this rift in our marriage, but mine.

On the way home, I vowed to stay away from political discussions with this group or any of Lorne’s friends, forever. As we sped through our little blue state, I sneaked a glance at him driving. True, Lorne avoided these arguments. But it didn’t matter. I knew where he stood, and where I stood, and it was not on the same side. Could a marriage survive such a solid barrier of disagreement? How many bipartisan couples did I know? Absolutely none.

We have other differences, of course, but they are trivial: Lorne likes to climb mountains, I like to knit; he always orders biriyani in Indian restaurants, I don’t much care for it. Not exactly the stuff of great conflict. But a lifetime of tolerating, even embracing, such philosophical opposition seemed harder to imagine.

But tolerate it we did, mostly by not talking about it. When I read about President Bush’s low approval ratings, and when Alberto Gonzales resigned, I gloated privately. Then, the inevitable happened: a new presidential election was upon us. Lined up on one side: Obama, Clinton, Edwards and me. On the other side, McCain, Romney, Huckabee and Lorne. I wanted to know whom he was supporting. I needed to know.

“I like Edwards,” I said one morning, then held my breath.

He grinned, shaking his head. “I haven’t decided yet.”

A brief respite. But I knew there was no avoiding it. Things would heat up. From where I sat, the divide seemed huge and unnavigable, yet also narrow enough to reach across and hold hands. So that’s what I did. I took his hand: my husband, my Republican, my love.

AND then a few weeks ago I came home from a business trip, pulled my politically correct car into our driveway, and stared hard at the sign in our yard. I blinked. I looked again. It was not a mirage.

The sign said, “Vote Obama.”

I shouted. I actually whooped. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Had one of my children put it there? A neighbor? It couldn’t have been Lorne.

Inside, I approached him cautiously. “There’s a sign in our yard.”

He shrugged and cast a broad smile my way. “He’s the best candidate.”

Now my whole body was grinning.

I sneaked off to call my cousin. “Lorne is supporting Obama,” I whispered.

“No!”

“He put a sign in our yard.”

“No!”

A few days later, Lorne sent me a text message: “KENNEDY HAS ENDORSED OBAMA!!!” I counted the exclamation points. Three could only mean giddy excitement. I gazed at the words on my cellphone and remembered how, 15 years earlier, I fell in love over black ink pasta and Chianti with a man who was thoughtful and independent (all right, and an excellent kisser).

(con't.)
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