[Caramel_Candy]

Originally Posted by lol_lol

yeah i dont belive in love, its a made up emotion, what people think they feel.
Besides a woman has to make alot more sacrfices than a guy when she gets married, and im not willing to make those sacrfices and im not a feminist but im not willing to "obey" or be "obidient" to anyone whos not my parents, and im not a submissive person.

wasn't this you just a few months ago? "im in love!!!! " he broke your heart? Should have punched him where it hurts.

[MossadConspiracy]

why is it so bad to be obedient?

i think the issue is just that the word obedient makes you imagine a dog on a leash or something like that.

maybe cooperative is a better word

ws

[Arabesque]

Yeah, cooperative sounds much better. It sounds less like a master-slave relationship.

But then again, "obedience" was the word used in the traditions.

[lol_lol]

Originally Posted by Caramel_Candy

wasn't this you just a few months ago? "im in love!!!! " he broke your heart? Should have punched him where it hurts.

LOL
it was a joke, i didnt love anyone.
and yes if i ever was in love and the guy broke my heart, i would break something of his, which would hurt much more

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

Yeah, cooperative sounds much better. It sounds less like a master-slave relationship.

But then again, "obedience" was the word used in the traditions.

yeah but there are alot of areas of life where men have to listen to their wives and obey them too, even in patriarchal societies. I know those obligations are probably more burdensome on women but thats just the way it is, men have other things to deal with that are equally stressful

obedience would be pretty nice, although egyptian women are often stereotyped as being loud and giving their husbands a hard time and many of them really do

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

yeah but there are alot of areas of life where men have to listen to their wives and obey them too, even in patriarchal societies. I know those obligations are probably more burdensome on women but thats just the way it is, men have other things to deal with that are equally stressful

obedience would be pretty nice, although egyptian women are often stereotyped as being loud and giving their husbands a hard time and many of them really do

You're right about that stereotype.

In fact, one of our neighbours is married to an Egyptian. She beats the hell out of him, the kids and their maids, too. I never knew she hit the husband, until he came to court bruised when I was working there.

She's the "m3alima" type, if you know what I mean. Terda7 so loud!!

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

You're right about that stereotype.

In fact, one of our neighbours is married to an Egyptian. She beats the hell out of him, the kids and their maids, too. I never knew she hit the husband, until he came to court bruised when I was working there.

She's the "m3alima" type, if you know what I mean. Terda7 so loud!!

that guy sounds like a wuss if he lets his wife beat on him

but anyway usually the way to dodge the bullet with these *****y women is to avoid marrying into scumbag families, especially low-class ones. Family background is the most important thing, much more than wealth

but even then its still possible to get burned. A friend of our family is losing multiple homes to his crazy wife, and some other one we know dumped her husband and married some guy from the mob in jersey who ran the husband back to Egypt

nevertheless theyre still the best ones for us

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

that guy sounds like a wuss if he lets his wife beat on him

but anyway usually the way to dodge the bullet with these *****y women is to avoid marrying into scumbag families, especially low-class ones. Family background is the most important thing, much more than wealth

but even then its still possible to get burned. A friend of our family is losing multiple homes to his crazy wife, and some other one we know dumped her husband and married some guy from the mob in jersey who ran the husband back to Egypt

nevertheless theyre still the best ones for us

No, he's not. He's just a good man. He could have taken advantage of the fact that she's a lone woman with no family to support her here, but he didn't. Somebody else would have made her sit on a wheelchair permanently. I know I would have.

Most foreign women (Egyptians and others) marry Gulf men for their money. Very few of them marry for any other reason. The only person I know who married a decent Egyptian is a former minister who studied in Egypt and married the niece of Syed Qutb after being a family acquaintance for long enough. The two families got to know each other very well before marriage was raised.

[MossadConspiracy]

i dont know the dynamics of these gulf marriages very well because i dont know any women who would go work in the gulf without being married already, but it doesnt surprise me that alot of them are gold diggers. If they're going to go off to work in a foreign country on their own without being married or having other male relatives with them then they're already risking their reputation for the sake of money, why not marry for money too

I'm not 100% sure but I think Syed Qutb came from a good family, and most of the ikhwan leaders certainly did. Thats what one has to look for in Egypt

[MossadConspiracy]

and i wasnt talking about the emirates guy hitting his wife with a lead pipe or using any other violence. but a man can enforce boundaries without resorting to violence

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

I'm not 100% sure but I think Syed Qutb came from a good family, and most of the ikhwan leaders certainly did. Thats what one has to look for in Egypt

I'm sure he did. I know a lot of people here wouldn't mind marrying their daughters to that family, or the Bannas and Ghazalis. That tells a lot.

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

and i wasnt talking about the emirates guy hitting his wife with a lead pipe or using any other violence. but a man can enforce boundaries without resorting to violence

I'm not sure if that's possible with m3alimas, lol!

[MossadConspiracy]

hassan al bana's family is definitely an upper class and respectable cairo family now, I dont know about their origins. I think their prestige was established with him

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

I'm not sure if that's possible with m3alimas, lol!

i could probably handle that challenge but i'd rather not

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

but even then its still possible to get burned. A friend of our family is losing multiple homes to his crazy wife, and some other one we know dumped her husband and married some guy from the mob in jersey who ran the husband back to Egypt

The Italian mob? Or some Egyptian wannabe thugs?