[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

I've not visited yet, but I hear NYC is very similar to London. People often get London burn-out, similiar to the feelings you're describing about feeling fed-up with living in NY. I understand where you're coming from - bad attitudes, high pollution, non-stop waves of people everywhere can take its toll on you. But that's part of city life.

Think of what you'll be giving up - hustle bustle (moving to a greener area can feel very isolated when you're used to the city), excitement (greener places are pretty to look at, but they tend to be quite boring after the novelty of the scenery has worn off), everything open 24-7 (living outside the city is not as convenient, things are often closed after a certain time).

I love city-life, but when I catch myself feeling the grey concrete slabs, and sour-faced unhelpful people more than the benefits of city-life, I try and get out of the city for a weekend or something, to somewhere pretty and peaceful to recharge my batteries. But after a day or two in the beautiful countryside... I start missing the city. Maybe, regular breaks out of New York to somewhere completely different, with green spaces and friendly people will be better for you, than completely uprooting and moving out to the styx.

I used to like cities.. but there are too many people in them, and my misanthropic streak grows stronger by the day. Also, I hate traffic & I like having space. The sticks are where it's at.

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

pick a city that gives you a lot of opportunities to do whatever you want and also gives you access to a massive amount of Muslims

So that basically means - NYC, Toronto, Houston or Chicago

NYC is a crappy place to raise a family. I'd take it off the list & add in DC (Northern Virginia or the Maryland 'burbs), Dallas, Vancouver, and maybe the South Bay area (though that's expensive).

[ChotooMotoo]

I'm aiming for the Pacific Northwest, or Inland Northwest. So, Seattle Portland, Olympia, Boise, and their suburbs, with preference given to the first three. The cities are big enough to provide access to anything you could want, the weather is great, and there are enough Muslims for a sense of community, but not so many that they form into cliques. It's also close to my family.

[Variable]

Well apparently Vancouver's the best place to live... I like it because it's really easy to find my favourite cheese there.

TOP TEN
Vancouver
Melbourne
Vienna
Geneva
Perth
Adelaide
Sydney
Zurich
Toronto
Calgary

City Mayors: Best cities in the world (EIU)

(actually in the new version Calgary is tied with Toronto )


But don't move to:

Tehran
Douala
Harare
Abidjan
Phnom Penh
Lagos
Karachi
Dhaka
Algiers
Port Moresby

[Sugarberry]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

NYC is a crappy place to raise a family. I'd take it off the list & add in DC (Northern Virginia or the Maryland 'burbs), Dallas, Vancouver, and maybe the South Bay area (though that's expensive).

seriously nyc is only a great place to raise a family if you have millions of dollars....and even thats pushing it.

[HijabiPrincezz]

duh, houston

there was a point where i just got fed up with houston and thought how much id rather move somewhere else, but gosh, 21 years living in houston and i really cant imagine myself anywhere else.....

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by Variable

Well apparently Vancouver's the best place to live... I like it because it's really easy to find my favourite cheese there.

TOP TEN
Vancouver
Melbourne
Vienna
Geneva
Perth
Adelaide
Sydney
Zurich
Toronto
Calgary

City Mayors: Best cities in the world (EIU)

(actually in the new version Calgary is tied with Toronto )


But don't move to:

Tehran
Douala
Harare
Abidjan
Phnom Penh
Lagos
Karachi
Dhaka
Algiers
Port Moresby

lol karachi. yeah that is accurate when i went there last summer it was hell even for a middle class guy like me. I can't really imagine the lives of 80% poor people in Karachi

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Sugarberry

seriously nyc is only a great place to raise a family if you have millions of dollars....and even thats pushing it.

why?

and how are Baltimore or DC better places to have a family? Both of those cities are horrible

[serendipity_000]

Originally Posted by Variable

TOP TEN

Geneva
Zurich

I have lived in both these places and they are . I wish I could go back

[Sugarberry]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

why?

and how are Baltimore or DC better places to have a family? Both of those cities are horrible

you love nyc too much to see a point of view outside the city

[vegetables]

It helps to have family out in the boonies whenever you get sick of the city. Id rather live in NYC though. The only place I would feel comfortable in is the tri-state area or dubai once i build up my career a bit more.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Sugarberry

you love nyc too much to see a point of view outside the city

haha maybe but a place like Baltimore definitely does not compare. My cousin from Egypt spent a year and a half living there and he had his life threatened twice during that time.

plus you really dont need to be rich to live in new york. most new yorkers arent

ws

[Sugarberry]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

haha maybe but a place like Baltimore definitely does not compare. My cousin from Egypt spent a year and a half living there and he had his life threatened twice during that time.

plus you really dont need to be rich to live in new york. most new yorkers arent

ws

hahahah yeah ok your right a balitmore...but when I was speaking about balitmore i was really more talking about the surrounding areas.

of course you dont need to be rich to live in ny...my family lives there so know how people live, but i personally feel that to give your kids a proper,safe,normal childhood you need to have substantial wealth.

the public schools in the city are...not the best, and the private schools are expensive for an average middle class family with 3 kids.

im not sayin its horrible way to grow up....just not a good one hahaha.
I doubt little kids in nyc can go sledding, and have waterfights in their neighboorhood, build snowman's and treehouses in their backyard.

and have little muslim friends( of different ethinicites mind you) to hang out with all the time...without it being a transportation nightmare.

and forget the masjids that are pretty much ethinically based and not women friendly.

I grew up in a masjid community.....and I dont see that much NYC.

[MossadConspiracy]

salam

you're right about the treehouses.. i've never seen one in new york. i disagree with everything else because i had a proper safe normal childhood in nyc and my family isnt wealthy. i went to public school and so did all my siblings and alhamdulilla none of us are in prison or dead. I have lots of muslim friends from different ethnicities and most of them have had the same experience. you just have to take advantage of the unique opportunities that are available in new york and not in other places

there are some things that most people cant have in new york, like a big single family home with a back yard and a pool and access to a community center with a gym and so on, the way you would see in a subdivision down south. we dont have huge shopping malls or wal marts either. its a different lifestyle, some people like it some people dont

ws

[Sugarberry]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

salam

you're right about the treehouses.. i've never seen one in new york. i disagree with everything else because i had a proper safe normal childhood in nyc and my family isnt wealthy. i went to public school and so did all my siblings and alhamdulilla none of us are in prison or dead. I have lots of muslim friends from different ethnicities and most of them have had the same experience. you just have to take advantage of the unique opportunities that are available in new york and not in other places

there are some things that most people cant have in new york, like a big single family home with a back yard and a pool and access to a community center with a gym and so on, the way you would see in a subdivision down south. we dont have huge shopping malls or wal marts either. its a different lifestyle, some people like it some people dont

ws

thats its defintately a particular lifestyle and mostly nyc people or choose that type of lifestyle hahahaha.

but im curious about what unique opportunites you were refering to thats only nyc has to offer?

[MossadConspiracy]

new york has lots of educational opportunities. For example, i went to one of the best high schools in the USA, and it was a public school that cost me nothing. That helped me alot. For people in business or finance, New York is where most of the top tier jobs are in this country (especially finance). For medical people, it is also home to alot of medical schools and their residency programs, including 4 premiere institutions which has got to be more than any other city.

i'm not too concerned about the arts and cultural stuff, but new york has that and alot of people do take advantage of it. I do like having convenient access to so many activities whenever i feel like doing them and so many destinations to go to at any time of day or night

population is more diverse than elsewhere, Queens county is the most diverse county in America. This is important for immigrants who want to stay connected to their people. And for black people, the center of black culture for the last 100 years is in New York. A muslim can feel at home in new york much more than in a suburban en