[shadha]

Variable: No they're not, they're fundamentally different: consenting vs non-consenting.

Exactly.


shadha-

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Variable

No they're not, they're fundamentally different: consenting vs non-consenting.

I think that they are exactly the same. They are all sexual preferences and all sexual deviancies.

I know plenty of underage boys and girls that have cencented to underage sex and the ages vary to a distrubing extent.

I also know many people that ahve been raped by Homosexuals.

If my kid was gay i'd do my best to educate them about homosexuality and Islam, however I would neevr tolerate homosexual activities in my house nor would I tolerate any camp behaviour if it wasn't their natural disposition.

[Blue_Phoenix]

Originally Posted by shadha

AsSalamu' Alaykum,

It's no secret that in Western societies homosexuality is on the verge of quickly becoming a norm, if it isn't already.

What I can't help but to wonder, what if, GOD FORBID! AstaghfiruAllah times 3! Gonna go make wudu!, my child comes to me and says, "Mom I'm gay." What would I do?

What would you do?

Outcast your child from the family? Accept your child's flaw [and everything that comes with it...they bring their partner along for family gatherings, it's made known to the Muslim community, they want to get married...the whole shabang] but continue to have a loving close relationship? Or would you set down restrictions but continue to have a loving close relationship with your child? Secretly ship your child overseas where there is capital punishment for such crime?

I'm just curious.


shadha-

It would serve you right for being a bigot.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Blue_Phoenix

It would serve you right for being a bigot.

HOW do you mean Bigot and why?

[sak01]

Originally Posted by zzze

asslamau alaykum

I don't disagree...I think as much as we don't hate on the celibate hetrosexual Muslim, we shouldn't hate on the celibate homosexual Muslim. The sad thing is, the homosexual Muslim has to fight it all his/her life, but there isn't a trial/test we can't pass or fight, so insha Allah khair, his/her reward will be substantial insha Allah.

We're agreed that homosexual acts are an enormity in Islam right? Similar to paedophilic acts .

If we have this out of the way then we can consider how to deal with Muslims with homosexual tendencies who don't act on their feelings and understand it's wrong. It would be the same way or similar to how we deal with Muslims who are attracted to children but don't act on it and understand it's wrong.

I'm not putting them in the same bracket to attach a stigma to it. It's so that you approach both cases with the understanding that they are both sexual deviances.

I agree about not hating the homosexual in this case but then the same has to be said of the non-acting, knows-it's-wrong paedophile.

I indirectly know of muslims who are tested in both ways and I agree it is a major trial for them. I'm honestly not sure what the best way is to help them.

Talk to a good scholar definitely as well as sincere dua. Marriage maybe. What else?

[Bluestar]

Originally Posted by sak01

It's one of the worst sins and not on a par with someone drinking alcohol or not praying.

...really? Did you receive a grading of sins?

That's the bottom line.

....this is islamica. There is never a bottom line.

Originally Posted by Anderson

I don't recall admitting I never practised? ......Regardless there is a difference between not practising for whatever reason and the denying any aspect of Islam, the latter is kufr. I have more respect for the guy who sleeps around acknowledging the error of his ways than the hippy who commits kufr by denying the parts of Islam not fuzzy enough for her.

There's a big difference between being bad and being a heretic .

Really, is there a difference between hypocrisy and being a dork? I have not denied any part of Islam and if you want to go around hanging Allah's creation, go ahead. There's nothing that comes from you but empty words of which the meaning and consequences you don't seem to fathom.

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

childish playground insults from an underdeveloped mind

really, i was trying to play it down so you could understand it?

do you think homosexuality should be illegal or looked down upon in society?

Answers to both questions were provided in previous posts. For all the intellectual superiority you make out to possess, your powers of comprehension don't seem so hot.

you did just that on the previous board, which was what i was referring to. unless you've changed your mind and feel execution for homosexuality is appropriate?

...grow up. Is your life SO self-centred that you refuse to acknowledge the emotions of other people? Out of fear and love of God, i would never want to condemn another human being. For that, i'll leave to those who deem themselves to be "more supreme". I'm sure God appreciates it.

[Aryan_]

Homosexuality is a genetically inherited illness. I have no inclination to bum another man so I need not worry about shirtlifting offspring.

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Really, is there a difference between hypocrisy and being a dork? I have not denied any part of Islam and if you want to go around hanging Allah's creation, go ahead. There's nothing that comes from you but empty words of which the meaning and consequences you don't seem to fathom.

Yes lets see how many radiohead lyrics we can get in to a single sentence, and thanks how did you know I like them? And hippy please unlike you I substantiate everything I say. Check your entire series of posts in this thread- did you take the time to cite one source to back up anyone of your views? No didn't think so and since its your big word for the week please back up your claims of hypocrisy with some examples.

[plops]

Originally Posted by Aryan_

Homosexuality is a genetically inherited illness. I have no inclination to bum another man so I need not worry about shirtlifting offspring.

Millions of sheep across the world sleep with only one eye closed tonight...

[Aryan_]

Originally Posted by plops

Millions of sheep across the world sleep with only one eye closed tonight...

Only the female sheep

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Really, is there a difference between hypocrisy and being a dork? I have not denied any part of Islam and if you want to go around hanging Allah's creation, go ahead. There's nothing that comes from you but empty words of which the meaning and consequences you don't seem to fathom.

Hudood punishments for homosexual acts are part of Islam.

Originally Posted by Bluestar

really, i was trying to play it down so you could understand it?

Lame attempt at being witty

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Answers to both questions were provided in previous posts. For all the intellectual superiority you make out to possess, your powers of comprehension don't seem so hot.

It was a pair of rhetorical questions. This was likely obvious to everyone but yourself. You conveniently failed to acknowledge the second (relevant) question, as it completes the point made.

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

do you think homosexuality should be illegal or looked down upon in society?

do you think incest should be illegal or looked down upon in society?

Providing answers to these questions in sequence would make your logical/rational inconsistency clear and evident.

Originally Posted by Bluestar

...grow up. Is your life SO self-centred that you refuse to acknowledge the emotions of other people?

Are you such a dumb hippie that you think fiqh should be based on people's feelings?

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Out of fear and love of God, i would never want to condemn another human being. For that, i'll leave to those who deem themselves to be "more supreme". I'm sure God appreciates it.

You are confused and inconsistent as always.

First of all, the act is what we condemn, but we also believe the perpetrator of that act must be punished according to the law of Allah SWT.

Secondly, it is because we do not believe ourselves to be supreme that we do not think that society's legal framework should be based around our personal feelings instead of the law of Allah SWT, to whom we submit, an explicit acknowledgement of our own inferiority and lack of supremacy.

Finally, you have insulted me and hurt my feelings, which is inconsistent with your high school literary magazine beliefs and makes me sad.

[Revert]

I hate to be so blunt...

but bumming is just wrong

[YOUSUFofSD]

Originally Posted by Revert

I hate to be so blunt...

but bumming is just wrong

what is that? faking like you dont have any money and getting handouts on the streets?

[zzze]

asslamu alaykum

Originally Posted by sak01

We're agreed that homosexual acts are an enormity in Islam right? Similar to paedophilic acts .

If we have this out of the way then we can consider how to deal with Muslims with homosexual tendencies who don't act on their feelings and understand it's wrong. It would be the same way or similar to how we deal with Muslims who are attracted to children but don't act on it and understand it's wrong.

I'm not putting them in the same bracket to attach a stigma to it. It's so that you approach both cases with the understanding that they are both sexual deviances.

I agree about not hating the homosexual in this case but then the same has to be said of the non-acting, knows-it's-wrong paedophile.

I indirectly know of muslims who are tested in both ways and I agree it is a major trial for them. I'm honestly not sure what the best way is to help them.

Talk to a good scholar definitely as well as sincere dua. Marriage maybe. What else?

Yes to enormity No to comparing it to paedophilia. The difference is quite striking, I'd rather be a lesbian anyday.