[shadha]

zzze: Being gay and BEING gay are two different things.

LOL. Yes, I meant BEING gay.

Anyway, despite it being sinfully nasty and the sheer embarrassment/disgust/shame I would feel, I would not turn my back on my child. A flaming queer or a burly dyke, he/she is my child and always will be.


shadha-

[wheelworks]

Originally Posted by shadha

zzze: Being gay and BEING gay are two different things.

LOL. Yes, I meant BEING gay.


shadha-

Hmmm thats funny I thought you meant BEING gay

[sak01]

Originally Posted by zzze

There ARE Muslims who are gay who wish they weren't so they could lead ''normal'' lives.

Originally Posted by zzze

Who disputing the haraamness of homosexual acts?

I can see both issues in this thread. First the need to make clear the haraamness to those who believe it ain't so bad and secondly how to deal with what you said in the first quote. Which is what the OP is about.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by xen

What age was Aisha, RA, when her marriage to the Prophet, SAW, was consumated?

What's that supposed to mean?

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

if i were a moderator, i'd rep every post anderson made

Just as an FYI, ever since this "new" post-crash Islamica came about, a lot of the mod perks are absent. We can't do unlimited repping anymore. We're just like the rest of the rifraf, and have to wait to "spread rep" and all that mere mortal stuff.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Sabz

as salaam u alaikum,

I was talking to brother Yusuf Chambers about this and he said that homosexuality is a sickness and can be cured, for example in the 60's it was seen as a sickness and now it is accepted and then he went on to say if we accept homosexuality then what about pedophiles..how will we feel about them in years to come?

That's absurd... I'd imagine we're talking about Western society in general 'coming to terms' so to speak with homosexuals. It's a long leap between two consenting adults and an adult taking sexual advantage of a child. I can't believe a grown educated man would need this to be explained to him.

And yeh, throughout history outside the Abrahamic faiths, homosexuality has been often been accepted.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Please read my posts before you take the leisure of making silly demands. I do not have stance on the nature vs nurture debate on homosexuality.

I always imagined that it was something you were born with. I still think it is to some degree - I don't think my friends who are gay would have chosen to go through the difficulties they did, and they definitely weren't raised in "it's okay to be gay" households.

But then hearing what everyone has to say about Saudi Arabia, it sounds like there's a definite nurture element there too.

[shadha]

Sabz: I was talking to brother Yusuf Chambers about this and he said that homosexuality is a sickness and can be cured, for example in the 60's it was seen as a sickness and now it is accepted and then he went on to say if we accept homosexuality then what about pedophiles..how will we feel about them in years to come?

I absolutely disagree. I don't believe homosexuality can be cured, just as heterosexuality can't be cured. Can it be controlled? Yes, but with a great deal of patience and strength.

Comparing homosexuals to pedophiles is heinous. The two are not one and the same therefore should not be treated as such. Like heterosexuality, homosexuality has consensual sex, while as being a pedophile or a rapist is not consensual [hence the terms] and is abuse.


shadha-

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by shadha

I absolutely disagree. I don't believe homosexuality can be cured, just as heterosexuality can't be cured. Can it be controlled? Yes, but with a great deal of patience and strength.

Comparing homosexuals to pedophiles is heinous. The two are not one and the same therefore should not be treated as such. Like heterosexuality, homosexuality has consensual sex, while as being a pedophile or a rapist is not consensual [hence the terms] and is abuse.


shadha-

There is alot we hetrosexuals can learn from the homosexual people, thanks sister Shadha for the eye and dare I say heart opening post.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by shadha

Comparing homosexuals to pedophiles is heinous. The two are not one and the same therefore should not be treated as such. Like heterosexuality, homosexuality has consensual sex, while as being a pedophile or a rapist is not consensual [hence the terms] and is abuse.


shadha-

But, shadha, they're both forms of sexual deviancy. So, yes I agree with you when you say they're not one and the same, but from the point of view of someone who has feelings of homsexuality, or feelings of pedophilia, or feelings of beastiality, they're just a matter of degrees. They're all sexual deviancy, and against normal human nature.

[YOUSUFofSD]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

But, shadha, they're both forms of sexual deviancy. So, yes I agree with you when you say they're not one and the same, but from the point of view of someone who has feelings of homsexuality, or feelings of pedophilia, or feelings of beastiality, they're just a matter of degrees. They're all sexual deviancy, and against normal human nature.

I agree.

ten char

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

...they're just a matter of degrees.

No they're not, they're fundamentally different: consenting vs non-consenting.

[zzze]

asslamau alaykum

Originally Posted by Jamroll

But, shadha, they're both forms of sexual deviancy. So, yes I agree with you when you say they're not one and the same, but from the point of view of someone who has feelings of homsexuality, or feelings of pedophilia, or feelings of beastiality, they're just a matter of degrees. They're all sexual deviancy, and against normal human nature.

I don't disagree...I think as much as we don't hate on the celibate hetrosexual Muslim, we shouldn't hate on the celibate homosexual Muslim. The sad thing is, the homosexual Muslim has to fight it all his/her life, but there isn't a trial/test we can't pass or fight, so insha Allah khair, his/her reward will be substantial insha Allah.

[YOUSUFofSD]

Originally Posted by Variable

No they're not, they're fundamentally different: consenting vs non-consenting.

You don't think some kid/17 year old/ or whatever would maybe consent? It was known a couple of girls in my high school that went out with alot older men and im sure they did stuff acceptingly.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by Variable

No they're not, they're fundamentally different: consenting vs non-consenting.

You're missing my point, and also that's a very simplistic way to look at it, and ignores the different parties involved.

The issue of consenting/non-consenting is only relevant to the "receiver" of homsexual/pedophile/bestial acts.

As far as the "giver" is concerned, whether he is consenting or not, the act is one of sexual deviancy, not because consent was given or refused but because, it is an act of going against normal human sexual nature - i.e. sexual deviancy.