[Bluestar]

Originally Posted by Anderson

Bluestar- Homosexuality is not genetic, please find one study proving this.

Please read my posts before you take the leisure of making silly demands. I do not have stance on the nature vs nurture debate on homosexuality.

[Bluestar]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

word

bluestar's nonsensical defense of homosexuality vis a vis incest was thoroughly refuted on the previous board. somehow, people are expected to accept her entirely arbitrary 'family values' and ideals and apply them in a legal system, but not the family values and ideals laid down in the quran & sunnah. the product of a mind that sucks at critical thinking.

a) menopausal male strikes again

b) nobody is expected to accept my views

c) i have never given a stance on homosexuality other than, i do not have the right to judge it.

d) I have never refuted the family ideals lay down in the Qur'an and Hadith.

As usual, never quite reading my posts but always so quick to post refutations.

Anyway, this thread is about how people would deal with their gay kid/s, i wouldn't hold it against them.

[xen]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

All this talk about building the Ummah together, well here's a start. If someone's gay and they try not to have a relationship or have one and feel untimately guilty because of their fear/love of God should not be shunned, nor thought of as having animalistic characteristics. They should be appreciated, loved and respected, just like any other Muslim who feels a little guilty for doing something they shouldn't have.

innit

chill out and get some perspective

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

bluestar's nonsensical defense of homosexuality vis a vis incest was thoroughly refuted on the previous board. somehow, people are expected to accept her entirely arbitrary 'family values' and ideals and apply them in a legal system, but not the family values and ideals laid down in the quran & sunnah. the product of a mind that sucks at critical thinking.

Exactly- Regardless of any scientific argument on the development of a perversion in someone Islam clearly proscribes the act and condemns those who practise it. Instead of accepting Islam's prohibition you get many on here justifying the act and flat out rejecting the hudood punishment for committing it. Infact for condemning buggery you get people accusing you of 'hiding something', so i guess that same logic would be applied to the Sahaba and the Prophet who actually set out the punishment? Astagfirullah, such madness.

Like homos or hate them, there's no escaping Islam's verdict on them. You either accept it, grudgingly even, or you reject it and deny the truth of Islam.

Originally Posted by Bluestar

a) menopausal male strikes again

b) nobody is expected to accept my views

c) i have never given a stance on homosexuality other than, i do not have the right to judge it.

d) I have never refuted the family ideals lay down in the Qur'an and Hadith.

As usual, never quite reading my posts but always so quick to post refutations.

Anyway, this thread is about how people would deal with their gay kid/s, i wouldn't hold it against them.

Trust ad-hominem over reason, trust hippies.

[Bluestar]

coming from someone who openly admits he's not a practising muslim. So, you constantly refute Islamic verdict on the liturgical/spiritual applications of faith the hypocrisy is so entertaining. Please, go on.

[sak01]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Also, if you don't know this already. Homosexuality has been a norm for a very long time, it's not a current issue.

It hasn't been a norm. It has existed for a long time since it was begun by the people of Lut (as). They were given a command to cease and desist which they refused and were then destroyed.

It's one of the worst sins and not on a par with someone drinking alcohol or not praying.

Originally Posted by Anderson

Exactly- Regardless of any scientific argument on the development of a perversion in someone Islam clearly proscribes the act and condemns those who practise it. Instead of accepting Islam's prohibition you get many on here justifying the act and flat out rejecting the hudood punishment for committing it. Infact for condemning buggery you get people accusing you of 'hiding something', so i guess that same logic would be applied to the Sahaba and the Prophet who actually set out the punishment? Astagfirullah, such madness.

Like homos or hate them, there's no escaping Islam's verdict on them. You either accept it, grudgingly even, or you reject it and deny the truth of Islam.

That's the bottom line.

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

coming from someone who openly admits he's not a practising muslim. So, you constantly refute Islamic verdict on the liturgical/spiritual applications of faith the hypocrisy is so entertaining. Please, go on.

I don't recall admitting I never practised? ......Regardless there is a difference between not practising for whatever reason and the denying any aspect of Islam, the latter is kufr. I have more respect for the guy who sleeps around acknowledging the error of his ways than the hippy who commits kufr by denying the parts of Islam not fuzzy enough for her.

There's a big difference between being bad and being a heretic .

[xen]

Originally Posted by sak01

It's one of the worst sins and not on a par with someone drinking alcohol or not praying.

where did you get that idea from?

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

a) menopausal male strikes again

childish playground insults from an underdeveloped mind

Originally Posted by Bluestar

b) nobody is expected to accept my views

do you think incest should be illegal or looked down upon in society?

Originally Posted by Bluestar

c) i have never given a stance on homosexuality other than, i do not have the right to judge it.

do you think homosexuality should be illegal or looked down upon in society?

Originally Posted by Bluestar

d) I have never refuted the family ideals lay down in the Qur'an and Hadith.

you did just that on the previous board, which was what i was referring to. unless you've changed your mind and feel execution for homosexuality is appropriate?

[sixpakistan]

if i were a moderator, i'd rep every post anderson made

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

if i were a moderator, i'd rep every post anderson made

And I you fair maiden.

[zzze]

assalamu alaykum

Originally Posted by Anderson

1400 years of Islamic scholarship have been very clear on the issue- the punishment for a man who lays with another man is death- this is Islam, like it or leave it.

Being gay does not necessarily mean you indulge in homosexual activities. There are pently of Muslim homosexuals who don't...so having such thoughts of inclinations doesn't mean ur a walking sin.

Originally Posted by sally

at the rate things have been going, homosexuals will have better established support systems and rights and priveleges in another 20 yrs...so yeah..not lonely because theyre homosexuals.. im surprised someone from europe where homosexuality is widely accepted and embraced is of the opinion that they get 'lonely'

anyway i think its all in the head and these people need lots and lots of mental help..there are things that human beings JUST DO NOT do period and this is one of them

well it's jolly good that you personally don't know very much about this subject- at all!

People reading his thread should damn well be grateful that they don't have that test and they don't fight their urges indefinitely and can get married (unless you're a moronic twit..but even then you have a chance). There ARE Muslims who are gay who wish they weren't so they could lead ''normal'' lives. Having people judge and hate them for things they can't help but feel is unfair. What about backbiting? In a hadith it was said to be worse than adultery. Perhaps we shouldn't make out we hate things for the sake of Allah and instead realise it's our own prejudices!

[sak01]

Originally Posted by xen

where did you get that idea from?

The Prophet (saws) said:
"Kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets if be done to him." (Tirmidhi, a sahih (authentic) hadith)

"May Allah curse him who does that Lot's people did." (Ibn Hibban, sahih (authentic)

Sinning is one thing, but Rasulallah(saw) invoking Allah's(swt) curse on the one who does this particular sin is enough to show you how much of an enormity it is.

I would just say there is a consensus amongst all the scholars on this and leave it at that but just to be clear:

"AND [remember] Lot , [63] when he said unto his people: "Will you commit abominations such as none in all the world has ever done before you? Verily, with lust you approach men instead of women: nay, but you are people given to excesses!" Qur'an 7:80-81

026.165-166 "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!"

027.055 Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!

029.028-29 And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of God if thou tellest the truth."

[zzze]

asslamau al aykum

Who disputing the haraamness of homosexual acts?

Being gay and BEING gay are two different things.

[xen]

salaam alaikum

Originally Posted by Anderson

In Islam ... nothing moves or changes direction and there are no trends.

Noboby is talking about changing the deen, we are talking about how attitudes change in soci