[Sabz]

as salaam u alaikum,

I was talking to brother Yusuf Chambers about this and he said that homosexuality is a sickness and can be cured, for example in the 60's it was seen as a sickness and now it is accepted and then he went on to say if we accept homosexuality then what about pedophiles..how will we feel about them in years to come?

So i would sit down talk to him and then send him to his father for a chat

But inshallah nothing like that will happen.

Walaikum as slaam

[xen]

Originally Posted by foozball

umm she was just asking the questions.... she didn't state her opinion.

you're right, sorry, the 'get a grip' bit was not aimed at shadha, it was aimed at anyone who does think these are good ways to react

[xen]

Originally Posted by Sabz

as salaam u alaikum,

I was talking to brother Yusuf Chambers about this and he said that homosexuality is a sickness and can be cured,

that's his opinion, but many people see it as a characteristic that can't be changed, and its never been proven either way

Originally Posted by Sabz

if we accept homosexuality then what about pedophiles..how will we feel about them in years to come?

There is a major difference between homosexual relations between consenting adults, and pedophilia, where an adult takes advantage of their relative power and authority over the child to gratify their own urges - i.e. abuse

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by foozball

right. so you don't hide it well.

Yes, we don't hide it well. Because there's nothing to hide. Since Memon men are the epitome of manliness.

I resent your collection of cheap reps at my expense, btw. > : o

[Anderson]

1400 years of Islamic scholarship have been very clear on the issue- the punishment for a man who lays with another man is death- this is Islam, like it or leave it.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by xen

There is a major difference between homosexual relations between consenting adults, and pedophilia, where an adult takes advantage of their relative power and authority over the child to gratify their own urges - i.e. abuse

what about incest?

[sak01]

Originally Posted by Sabz

I was talking to brother Yusuf Chambers about this and he said that homosexuality is a sickness and can be cured, for example in the 60's it was seen as a sickness and now it is accepted and then he went on to say if we accept homosexuality then what about pedophiles..how will we feel about them in years to come?

The boundaries are always shifting. When one taboo is broken, it doesn't take long before the next one goes as well. It's only been a few years since it became legal for a mother and son to get married in Holland.

I've heard there are some organisations in the US which cure people from homosexuality fairly successfully. There's one called Exodus although I don't know their methods.

But my advice to someone who's son becomes gay is to take your bad parenting self to the yard and shoot yourself. Unfortunately, suicide is haram so get a friend to help.

jk. Sunnipath has had some crazy questions over the years but not this one yet I think.

[xen]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

what about incest?

yes, that is also an adult takes advantage of their relative power and authority over the child to gratify their own urges - i.e. abuse

[sak01]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

what about incest?

That's what I asked a liberal friend of mine. What about a consenting adult father and son? He said no way that's disgusting. A few days later he said he thought about it and since they're consenting adults and not harming anyone else it must be ok.

That's how the boundaries shift.

[xen]

Originally Posted by Sabz

if we accept homosexuality then what about pedophiles..how will we feel about them in years to come?

Originally Posted by sak01

The boundaries are always shifting. When one taboo is broken, it doesn't take long before the next one goes as well.

What age was Aisha, RA, when her marriage to the Prophet, SAW, was consumated?


yes, the boundaries are always shifting, but its not a simple trend towards the more liberal or depraved - the boundaries shift in many directions for many reasons - we don't need to be scared that 'things can only get worse'

[Bluestar]

it's not fair nor accurate to portray it as a disease. I've said this countless times when discussing whether homosexuality is argued to be genetic or due social context. Those who aren't gay, don't know what it feels like. So essentially we're trying to describe, analyse/categorise someones feelings which we have never felt ourself.

Comparing it to incest or paedophilia is also a silly way to bunch together actions which people perceive to be evil. Incest goes against family values, where the family unit is sacred and relationships are never sexual and therefore secure, where long term relationships prosper (if there's no abuse). Homosexuality is a person having a sexual (and not always sexual) relationship with another person who isn't related to him/her directly.

I don't hold any opinion of it, since it is none of my concern. Alhamdulillah, freedom of choice is an amazing thing, and when other people make choices you don't agree with, well, that's your problem.

It would be very difficult for someone to be gay and a muslim, especially if they denied themselves a relationship that would make them feel fulfilled, as zzze pointed out earlier and this should be respected by as as fellow muslims. All this talk about building the Ummah together, well here's a start. If someone's gay and they try not to have a relationship or have one and feel untimately guilty because of their fear/love of God should not be shunned, nor thought of as having animalistic characteristics. They should be appreciated, loved and respected, just like any other Muslim who feels a little guilty for doing something they shouldn't have.

In the case of children, i hope to think i will always be supportive of my children and would never create an environment where they feel they only half exist in the family, because the other half, the real half is only accepted outside it

Also, if you don't know this already. Homosexuality has been a norm for a very long time, it's not a current issue.

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by xen

yes, the boundaries are always shifting, but its not a simple trend towards the more liberal or depraved - the boundaries shift in many directions for many reasons - we don't need to be scared that 'things can only get worse'

Salam

In Islam homosexuality is punished by death, nothing moves or changes direction and there are no trends.

Bluestar- Homosexuality is not genetic, please find one study proving this.

[Sabz]

Originally Posted by xen

What age was Aisha, RA, when her marriage to the Prophet, SAW, was consumated?


yes, the boundaries are always shifting, but its not a simple trend towards the more liberal or depraved - the boundaries shift in many directions for many reasons - we don't need to be scared that 'things can only get worse'

Thats very different as in that society it was considered ok and fine but now the age of maturity as risen and also puberty for young girls has also risen. Also the Prophet muhammed saw was given superiority for example He saw the no. of wives allowed.

[sally]

Originally Posted by zzze

asslamau alaykum

Accept it...put down restrictions with regards to partner visiting.

I'll be making dua that my child isn't going to be tested in that way insha Allah...it's a hard life...most homosexuals tend to be veryyy lonely as they get older.

at the rate things have been going, homosexuals will have better established support systems and rights and priveleges in another 20 yrs...so yeah..not lonely because theyre homosexuals.. im surprised someone from europe where homosexuality is widely accepted and embraced is of the opinion that they get 'lonely'

anyway i think its all in the head and these people need lots and lots of mental help..there are things that human beings JUST DO NOT do period and this is one of them

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by xen

yes, that is also an adult takes advantage of their relative power and authority over the child to gratify their own urges - i.e. abuse

incest can occur in more situations than just an adult and a child (adult parent and adult offspring, adult brother and sister, adult uncle/aunt and adult niece/nephew, etc)

Originally Posted by Anderson

Salam

In Islam homosexuality is punished by death, nothing moves or changes direction and there are no trends.

Bluestar- Homosexuality is not genetic, please find one study proving this.

word

bluestar's nonsensical defense of homosexuality vis a vis incest was thoroughly refuted on the previous board. somehow, people are expected to accept her entirely arbitrary 'family values' and ideals and apply them in a legal system, but not the family values and ideals laid down in the quran & sunnah. the product of a mind that sucks at critical thinking.