[shadha]

AsSalamu' Alaykum,

I just watched this video, Convicted Criminals Welcome. You don't like how your neighbors have treated you, for obvious reasons, so you go ahead and compound matters by putting everyone at risk by welcoming a bunch of criminals into the joint?

Yes, I am one who believes that once a pedophile/rapists always a pedophile/rapist. And yes I also believe that rapists & murders [and pedophiles who acted upon their desires] should receive capital punishment upon conviction. I don't believe in second chances- for their victims do not have the opportunity of a second chance, so nor should they. So hell no I would not be oki if any of the convicted three moved into my neighborhood. I would drop everything and move immediately. However and unfortunately, with how lenient the laws are, I'm sure eventually there is no escaping Satan's filthy nasty ass animals.


shadha-

[Bluestar]

Criminals are a large group of people who have been caught not obeying the law. That's a large group of people (and not all of them are all that bad). Are you talking about all criminals or just paedophiles and rapists in particular?

I suppose it's done to rehabilitate them into society rather than group them onto one huge landsite. Keeping them all in one place is great for other people (in a short time span) but, when people are segregated out of society for a long time, they generally tend to exaggerate their own characters and become even worse than they might have been.

But, what methods to use with dangerous people is definately a contentious issue and i don't think there can be one answer to it simply because every situation is different and peoples actions usually have a cause/effect correllation. So one sweeping judgement isn't fair but it isn't possible to do it any other way with a centralised government, purely because the scope of people they're "looking after" or governing rather, is so large.

i.e. catch 22

[TariqBinSleepin]

Originally Posted by shadha

AsSalamu' Alaykum,

I just watched this video, Convicted Criminals Welcome. You don't like how your neighbors have treated you, for obvious reasons, so you go ahead and compound matters by putting everyone at risk by welcoming a bunch of criminals into the joint?

Yes, I am one who believes that once a pedophile/rapists always a pedophile/rapist. And yes I also believe that rapists & murders [and pedophiles who acted upon their desires] should receive capital punishment upon conviction. I don't believe in second chances- for their victims do not have the opportunity of a second chance, so nor should they. So hell no I would not be oki if any of the convicted three moved into my neighborhood. I would drop everything and move immediately. However and unfortunately, with how lenient the laws are, I'm sure eventually there is no escaping Satan's filthy nasty ass animals.


shadha-

I agree with you. Specifically speaking, the victims did not get a second chance. How bout if that murdered/rapist, truly honestly comes to Islam and converts. How would you feel about that?

[Aryan_]

I once shared a flat with a Jamaican criminal. I didn't consider him to be one (apart from the grass)

[Revert]

Originally Posted by TariqBinSleepin

I agree with you. Specifically speaking, the victims did not get a second chance. How bout if that murdered/rapist, truly honestly comes to Islam and converts. How would you feel about that?

Thats an interesting question bro. Are any of us that big that we could overcome the stigma of paedophilia?

The key is to understand what paedophillia is. Its a sexual preference just like Homosexuality and depending on your view its somehting they are born as or they "choose" to be.

Even Murder or Rape they are difficult crimes to get over, would you be able to forgive someone who ahd done this crime to a member of your own kin?

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by TariqBinSleepin

I agree with you. Specifically speaking, the victims did not get a second chance. How bout if that murdered/rapist, truly honestly comes to Islam and converts. How would you feel about that?

Their coming to Islam means they've acknowledged the Truth & been guided. It doesn't necessarily mean they've become a perfect human being and conquered their nafs.

[shadha]

TariqBinSleepin: I agree with you. Specifically speaking, the victims did not get a second chance. How bout if that murdered/rapist, truly honestly comes to Islam and converts. How would you feel about that?

To be brutally honest, I don't even believe that they should live long enough to convert. Upon conviction they should be killed. Now, seeing as that isn't the case at the time being- prisoners converting to Islam while locked up, that's sweet and all, but considering the high turn-around rates and the fact that it's quite easy to be a Muslim in a very restricted environment, I'm not impressed nor are my thoughts softened for them. While there are prisoners who leave and do change and some do stay practicing Muslims, those numbers are few and far. And I go back to once a rapist always a rapist. Some may say this is unfair of me...I couldn't care.


shadha-

[Revert]

Originally Posted by shadha

TariqBinSleepin: I agree with you. Specifically speaking, the victims did not get a second chance. How bout if that murdered/rapist, truly honestly comes to Islam and converts. How would you feel about that?

To be brutally honest, I don't even believe that they should live long enough to convert. Upon conviction they should be killed. Now, seeing as that isn't the case at the time being- prisoners converting to Islam while locked up, that's sweet and all, but considering the high turn-around rates and the fact that it's quite easy to be a Muslim in a very restricted environment, I'm not impressed nor are my thoughts softened for them. While there are prisoners who leave and do change and some do stay practicing Muslims, those numbers are few and far. And I go back to once a rapist always a rapist. Some may say this is unfair of me...I couldn't care.


shadha-

I agree with you. Theres also a good proportion of Born Muslims that go to jail too. Being Muslim doesn't mena you get a free pass to Jannah..you have to put the hours in too.

[Bluestar]

Saying a rapist is a rapist is easy enough, believe it or not (and it's sad to say this) there are plenty of women who will accuse men of raping them when they haven't. What about these men? Are their lives to be cut short because they were accused by some person with probable mental health problems.

Keeping in mind, the girl had mental health problems in the paragraph above. What if the guy was a rapist and he had mental health problems, should he be killed purely because of that? Keeping in mind that if the murdered rapist was killed unfairly, he would probably be considered a martyr

Seems a bit radical to me, society will end up like The Matrix, way too controlled and generic.

[sally]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Seems a bit radical to me, society will end up like The Matrix, way too controlled and generic.

it already seems that way to me.

[Anderson]

The world will not become like the Matrix.

Yes the world is filled with sheep like people called sheeple but it always has been they are a part of the natural order.

[sally]

i wish natural selection would get rid of sheeple.

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by sally

i wish natural selection would get rid of sheeple.

No its good they exist, they're the reason economies do well.

[sally]

i wish life wasnt a numbers game

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Saying a rapist is a rapist is easy enough, believe it or not (and it's sad to say this) there are plenty of women who will accuse men of raping them when they haven't. What about these men? Are their lives to be cut short because they were accused by some person with probable mental health problems.

Keeping in mind, the girl had mental health problems in the paragraph above. What if the guy was a rapist and he had mental health problems, should he be killed purely because of that? Keeping in mind that if the murdered rapist was killed unfairly, he would probably be considered a martyr

Seems a bit radical to me, society will end up like The Matrix, way too controlled and generic.

It is easy enough to say a rapist is a rapist. Until you've met one (or several) and seen what kind of people they are its hard to say how you would react.


Rape is a crime, having a mental illness isn't.