[TrentReznor858]

Afghans whine. About everything. They make excuses. For everything. They always expect handouts, and when they dont get it they throw a tantrum. This is the way it is.

[wheelworks]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

Afghans whine. About everything. They make excuses. For everything. They always expect handouts, and when they dont get it they throw a tantrum. This is the way it is.

They also kicked communist russia out of Afghanistan donchaknow

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

Afghans whine. About everything. They make excuses. For everything. They always expect handouts, and when they dont get it they throw a tantrum. This is the way it is.

Umm... I don't think Afghans have a monopoly on whining. All people whine when things are sucky. Some people whine even when things are fine. I teach Freshman, so I know all about whining.

[Aryan_]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

So, if Saudi also donated a huge amount of money to the Afghan war, but not the reconstruction, how come only America gets the blame for Afghanistans problems? Is it somehow okay for Muslims to neglect eachother, if a Kaffir county neglects a Muslim one they get all the blame? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Where do you get your facts from? A lot of Afghanistan do blame Arabs for their situation.

Originally Posted by Variable

One can definitely fault the US for supplying aid to those guys, but hind-sight is 20/20. The situation was complicated, and to place the bulk of the blame on the Americans is to understate the affect surrounding states had on the situation. I'd be interested to hear more about the agreement the US had with Saudi.

The hindsight argument doesn't hold much water, Islamic racialism wasn't a new concept in the 1980s, and there were politicians opposed to the policy in Afghanistan in the 80s (at least on this side of the pond). And at was plain obvious many of the people being supported, they refused to meet Americans on the grounds of being "infidels", they were killing minorities in Afghanistan at the same time they were being funded. But it wasn't a problem for the Americans as long as they were kept in Pakistan/Afghanistan and their aggression directed towards the Soviet Union and the DRA.

Still, I think American aid was a good thing and without it Afghanistan would be occupied a lot longer the Soviet Union would have fancied it's chances of extending it's power over Pakistan and Iran. Better dead than red.

[A_Muminah]

As-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

Blah Blah Blah, I love how everyone has become an expert on Afghanistan's history, wars and policies yet the people of that country are just disregarded and their word is not held as reliable.

So yea, continue the blah blah blah.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Aryan_

Where do you get your facts from? A lot of Afghanistan do blame Arabs for their situation.

Yes, I've already been informed of that thank you. I've just never seen any article with Afghans blaming anyone but America for their problems. I haven't even seen articles where they blame Russia, it's always America, and why didn't America do more to help us. Then of course are the kinds of Afghans I've met. They are either fairly secular in their views and outlook, or they emulate arabs as much as possible (in terms of dress, religious practice, and even looking at Arab culture as superior to their own ). Naturally if that's the only exposure you have, your view will be skewed, as mine apparently was.

[A_Muminah]

As-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Yes, I've already been informed of that thank you. I've just never seen any article with Afghans blaming anyone but America for their problems. I haven't even seen articles where they blame Russia, it's always America, and why didn't America do more to help us. Then of course are the kinds of Afghans I've met. They are either fairly secular in their views and outlook, or they emulate arabs as much as possible (in terms of dress, religious practice, and even looking at Arab culture as superior to their own ). Naturally if that's the only exposure you have, your view will be skewed, as mine apparently was.

I have never met ANY afghan who has thought that their culture is inferior to any culture. EVER! Allow me to break it to you but Afghans probably have the most pride than anyone you will meet. Whoever you met probably just puts Islaam before culture. We have those heated discussions amongst my family. Its a different story to put your culture before religion and yes I have met plenty who say that 'We're Afghan first and then Muslim'. How the heck do I argue against that? Ignorance, sheesh.

Besides, America is fun to pick on. Who says we're not allowed to pick on them? You do not need to see any articles to try to prove anything. What do these journalists understand. Live amongst the people and you will know for yourself.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by A_Muminah

As-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

Live amongst the people and you will know for yourself.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh

Highly doubtful. With the deteriorating security situation in Pakistan, I may never even get to meet my husbands family. Every day there are bomb blasts and random killings, not to mention the deteriorated state of Peshawar. Even if I did go, I doubt I would do much more than stay in the family home. I don't see any prospects for tourism.

It almost sounds like you're saying you can't really follow Afghan culture, and be a good Muslim, or that Arabs are somehow better Muslims. Care to elaborate on that?

[Jamroll]

Salam,

The people Afghans are most like is Pakistanis. Pakistanis and Afghans dress the same, their languages are similar, their food is similar, their "brand" of Islam is similar.

This "emulation of Arabs" thing is not limited to Afghans. Lots of people from different backgrounds do it.

[A_Muminah]

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Highly doubtful. With the deteriorating security situation in Pakistan, I may never even get to meet my husbands family. Every day there are bomb blasts and random killings, not to mention the deteriorated state of Peshawar. Even if I did go, I doubt I would do much more than stay in the family home. I don't see any prospects for tourism.

It almost sounds like you're saying you can't really follow Afghan culture, and be a good Muslim, or that Arabs are somehow better Muslims. Care to elaborate on that?

When I said :

Originally Posted by A_Muminah

Besides, America is fun to pick on. Who says we're not allowed to pick on them? You do not need to see any articles to try to prove anything. What do these journalists understand. Live amongst the people and you will know for yourself.

it was in response to this :

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

I've just never seen any article with Afghans blaming anyone but America for their problems. I haven't even seen articles where they blame Russia, it's always America, and why didn't America do more to help us.

I agree very much with what Jamroll stated even though there are also many differences. Afghans are very free-people by nature. Pakistanis tend to wear their cultural clothing at home, how many Afghans do you know that do that? I can probably just name 3 families out of the millions I know. Its not that we dont love our culture but it is hard to keep with it you have so many identities. So those of us that live in the West and practice Islaam at the same time, we tend to wear western clothing at home and when we go out, we decide to wear an 'abayah and hijaab. It is not that we see our culture as being inconvenient or inferior but it is of ease to just do the above.

Afghans only tend to wear Afghan clothing and such to huge events such as weddings and parties. I never stated that Arabs are better Muslims :S but there is always friction amongst Afghans because those that tend to practice Islaam eventually start wearing 'Abayahs fulltime and just because an 'Abayah comes from the middle-East, Afghans tend to think that they are wannabe Arabs instead of having pride in their own culture. That is totally incorrect because what else would someone who wants to cover fully and show their pride as an Afghaan wear instead of an 'Abayah? A burkah? An Afghan flag? I mean, come on. It is so much more convenient for those that want to fully cover their bodies to wear an 'Abayah.

Just so it is known, if my culture is ever in conflict with my religion, I would choose my religion. Other than that, I have no problem with my Afghan identity and I love it. I am happy and grateful to be from those of Afghanistan AlHumdu-Lillaah.

Blah.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by A_Muminah

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,


When I said :


it was in response to this :



I agree very much with what Jamroll stated even though there are also many differences. Afghans are very free-people by nature. Pakistanis tend to wear their cultural clothing at home, how many Afghans do you know that do that? I can probably just name 3 families out of the millions I know. Its not that we dont love our culture but it is hard to keep with it you have so many identities. So those of us that live in the West and practice Islaam at the same time, we tend to wear western clothing at home and when we go out, we decide to wear an 'abayah and hijaab. It is not that we see our culture as being inconvenient or inferior but it is of ease to just do the above.

Afghans only tend to wear Afghan clothing and such to huge events such as weddings and parties. I never stated that Arabs are better Muslims :S but there is always friction amongst Afghans because those that tend to practice Islaam eventually start wearing 'Abayahs fulltime and just because an 'Abayah comes from the middle-East, Afghans tend to think that they are wannabe Arabs instead of having pride in their own culture. That is totally incorrect because what else would someone who wants to cover fully and show their pride as an Afghaan wear instead of an 'Abayah? A burkah? An Afghan flag? I mean, come on. It is so much more convenient for those that want to fully cover their bodies to wear an 'Abayah.

Just so it is known, if my culture is ever in conflict with my religion, I would choose my religion. Other than that, I have no problem with my Afghan identity and I love it. I am happy and grateful to be from those of Afghanistan AlHumdu-Lillaah.

Blah.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh.

Thank you for clarifying, I was totally confused. Now I'm not.