[PipeRomeo]

This is what happens when you let these self-proclaimed "humanists" prioritize the world's problems. Lets ignore the millions of women starving in Africa and dying of Aids, Lets ignore the sri lankan and Ethiopian maids being tortured daily by US gov allies in the middle east, lets ignore the massive, massive sex slave trade going throughout all eastern Europe. Lets dump 100 billion dollars into Afghanistan to save the chics being forced to dress like Casper.

I am not saying they should not assist afghani women, but there is no balance whatsoever and it just shows their hypocrisy. They walk into Afghanistan proclaiming themselves god's like Cortez at the shores of South America.

The whole thing is a sham and an illusion.

[discus]

Originally Posted by A_Muminah

As-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,


Their ideology for the most part is not that of the Qur'aan and Sunnah and they would rather have democracy (like that of the West) than any sort of Islamic law.

Was-Salaamu 'alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah.

RAWA was started and continues to be supported by Communists, especially from within Pakistan. They & their supporters in the West deny these links now, but there is no denying their virulently anti-Islamic, anti-Shariah beliefs.

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

There are a number of organizations that support RAWA as well as notable Islamic individuals

Do you mean "Muslim" or "Islamic?" Can you cite examples of this support as well as the Islamic credentials of the individuals & organizations involved?

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by discus

RAWA was started and continues to be supported by Communists, especially from within Pakistan. They & their supporters in the West deny these links now, but there is no denying their virulently anti-Islamic, anti-Shariah beliefs.



Do you mean "Muslim" or "Islamic?" Can you cite examples of this support as well as the Islamic credentials of the individuals & organizations involved?

I did that already. Go back a page.

[roberto]

Originally Posted by PipeRomeo

This is what happens when you let these self-proclaimed "humanists" prioritize the world's problems. Lets ignore the millions of women starving in Africa and dying of Aids, Lets ignore the sri lankan and Ethiopian maids being tortured daily by US gov allies in the middle east, lets ignore the massive, massive sex slave trade going throughout all eastern Europe. Lets dump 100 billion dollars into Afghanistan to save the chics being forced to dress like Casper.

I am not saying they should not assist afghani women, but there is no balance whatsoever and it just shows their hypocrisy. They walk into Afghanistan proclaiming themselves god's like Cortez at the shores of South America.

The whole thing is a sham and an illusion.

Are you not aware of the large sums of money and aid donated by the West to these parts?

[discus]

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

I did that already. Go back a page.

Yes, I saw the links you posted. I was inquiring specifically about the Islamic credentials of the sites you posted. This was why I asked if you meant "Islamic" vs just "Muslim."

A random one I clicked on quotes Amina Wadud and cites her work as "important." (http://www.geocities.com/pmndc/ExploringIslamicFeminism.htm)

Another one is titled "Women Living Under Islam Laws," which in light of these other links, sounds as though it's an organization dedicated to ensuring women do not live under shariah (admittedly, I haven't looked and it could represent something else entirely).

Yet another declares hijab as not being compulsory in Islam. (Islam For Today)

I don't know who Dr. Fawzia Afzal-Khan is or why their opinion should matter in the court of Islamic thought.

The majority of your links appear to be sites run by or representing radical feminists who happen to be Muslims/have Muslim names, but whose opinions are met with unanimous disagreement amongst scholars of Islam and whose views would be very alien to the vast majority of Muslims in this world.

The exceptions which appear to be "normal" sites don't say anything about RAWA whatsoever. I recognize the Islamic Center of Southern California as being the masjid where Asra Nomani instigated fitnah.

It should be noted that during the existence of the USSR, both Al-Azhar University (Sh. Abd al-Halim Mahmud RH) and Shia Marjae (Tabatabai) passed fatawa declaring communism to be kufr.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by discus

It should be noted that during the existence of the USSR, both Al-Azhar University (Sh. Abd al-Halim Mahmud RH) and Shia Marjae (Tabatabai) passed fatawa declaring communism to be kufr.

Communism as practiced in the USSR and most of China is kufr, since it requres that communism become your religion. Many of the utopian ideals of Marxism, from which communism evolved, are not kufr. It's imporatnt to draw that distinction. I doubt RAWA is entirely communist, and think it's more likely that they have absorbed some marxist ideals.

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by discus

Yes, I saw the links you posted. I was inquiring specifically about the Islamic credentials of the sites you posted. This was why I asked if you meant "Islamic" vs just "Muslim."

A random one I clicked on quotes Amina Wadud and cites her work as "important." (http://www.geocities.com/pmndc/ExploringIslamicFeminism.htm)

Another one is titled "Women Living Under Islam Laws," which in light of these other links, sounds as though it's an organization dedicated to ensuring women do not live under shariah (admittedly, I haven't looked and it could represent something else entirely).

Yet another declares hijab as not being compulsory in Islam. (Islam For Today)

I don't know who Dr. Fawzia Afzal-Khan is or why their opinion should matter in the court of Islamic thought.

The majority of your links appear to be sites run by or representing radical feminists who happen to be Muslims/have Muslim names, but whose opinions are met with unanimous disagreement amongst scholars of Islam and whose views would be very alien to the vast majority of Muslims in this world.

The exceptions which appear to be "normal" sites don't say anything about RAWA whatsoever. I recognize the Islamic Center of Southern California as being the masjid where Asra Nomani instigated fitnah.

It should be noted that during the existence of the USSR, both Al-Azhar University (Sh. Abd al-Halim Mahmud RH) and Shia Marjae (Tabatabai) passed fatawa declaring communism to be kufr.

You just don't like facing the fact that the women of Afghanistan have been brutalized by the Taliban and other fundamendalists period.

[AmroodWaala]

backing the rapists isn't much of a liberation. rashid dostum comes to mind

[Dubai3000]

what a chaotic backward country afghanistan is seriously. even after the fall of talibans these people didn't learn anything. Islam was suppose to remove the backwardness of people. Unfortunatly their cultural beliefs are more important then islam is to these people.

[discus]

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

You just don't like facing the fact that the women of Afghanistan have been brutalized by the Taliban and other fundamendalists period.

You're a grown man. If you can't establish your claim, then say so or rectify your statement instead of resorting to childish and emotional attacks.

[A_Muminah]

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

How many of you have lived in Afghanistan? Ok, perhaps even visited Afghaanistan to see the lifestyle and culture of the country and what is being imposed on the women there?

If you have not, please know that there is a VERY thin line between propaganda and the reality.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by A_Muminah

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

How many of you have lived in Afghanistan? Ok, perhaps even visited Afghaanistan to see the lifestyle and culture of the country and what is being imposed on the women there?

If you have not, please know that there is a VERY thin line between propaganda and the reality.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh

Can you elaborate on that? That sentence to me seems to say that the propoganda about how aweful women in Afghanistan have it is pretty close to reality. Is that what you meant to say?

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by PipeRomeo

This is what happens when you let these self-proclaimed "humanists" prioritize the world's problems. Lets ignore the millions of women starving in Africa and dying of Aids, Lets ignore the sri lankan and Ethiopian maids being tortured daily by US gov allies in the middle east, lets ignore the massive, massive sex slave trade going throughout all eastern Europe. Lets dump 100 billion dollars into Afghanistan to save the chics being forced to dress like Casper.

I am not saying they should not assist afghani women, but there is no balance whatsoever and it just shows their hypocrisy. They walk into Afghanistan proclaiming themselves god's like Cortez at the shores of South America.

The whole thing is a sham and an illusion.

Not exactly how I'd put it, but yeah. Their arrogance is appalling.

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

You just don't like facing the fact that the women of Afghanistan have been brutalized by the Taliban and other fundamendalists period.

You just don't like facing the fact that you just got owned.

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by discus

You're a grown man. If you can't establish your claim, then say so or rectify your statement instead of resorting to childish and emotional attacks.

Everything you have said to refute the facts I've presented amount to propaganda and rhetoric, from statements about the communists (The boogey men) and how unislamic they (RAWA) are. These type of statements are usually thrown around when people are uncomfortable about facing the truth of a situation and are often applied to women when they stand up against an injustice. You really should watch this.

Lifting the Veil

[ShiaHazara]

Originally Posted by A_Muminah

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

How many of you have lived in Afghanistan? Ok, perhaps even visited Afghaanistan to see the lifestyle and culture of the country and what is being imposed on the women there?

If you have not, please know that there is a VERY thin line between propaganda and the reality.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh

I have LIVED in Afghanistan and i have every right to speak out on the brutality of your Taliban heroes.