[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

Well I think that a lot of people are just uncomfortable with an organization like RAWA as it is run by women in opposition to corrupt men. Many are threatened by women having a voice. However, they have many supporters in Afghanistan.

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

Is that all you read?

nah, thats just when I started laughing....

[A_Muminah]

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum,

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

In what way does it lack credibility? Because they go after the Taliban and are not afraid to stand up to them as well as other bullies and thugs, and report their misdeeds? There are other Muslim organizations that support them as well. Do they also lack credibility?

What sort of Muslim organizations support RAWA?

I applaud RAWA for doing many things such as starting schools for girls and giving out humanitarian but they also have a side agenda, which is very disturbing.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah.

[roberto]

[quote=A_Muminah;13202]As-Salaamu 'Alaykum,

What sort of Muslim organizations support RAWA?

I applaud RAWA for doing many things such as starting schools for girls and giving out humanitarian but they also have a side agenda, which is very disturbing.

Which is what?

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

nah, thats just when I started laughing....

I hardly find the plight of Afghan women a laughing matter.

[A_Muminah]

As-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

Originally Posted by roberto

Which is what?

Their ideology for the most part is not that of the Qur'aan and Sunnah and they would rather have democracy (like that of the West) than any sort of Islamic law.

Was-Salaamu 'alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by A_Muminah

As-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,


Their ideology for the most part is not that of the Qur'aan and Sunnah and they would rather have democracy (like that of the West) than any sort of Islamic law.

Was-Salaamu 'alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah.

There is nothing inherently wrong with democracy. Indeed for a Muslim majority nation, democracy should bring Shariah, provided that the Muslims in that country are in touch with their deen.

[WarriorAndWiseman]

...and while everybody basks in the luxury of being able to argue over the finer points of justice, democracy and sharia, more Afghan women become victims of a self-indulgent male chauvinistic social setup.

...and then I wonder why browsing on Islamica makes me just a little bit depressed. But considering how everyone keeps coming back here some part of us deep down must love misery.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by WarriorAndWiseman

...and while everybody basks in the luxury of being able to argue over the finer points of justice, democracy and sharia, more Afghan women become victims of a self-indulgent male chauvinistic social setup.

...and then I wonder why browsing on Islamica makes me just a little bit depressed. But considering how everyone keeps coming back here some part of us deep down must love misery.

Do you have a solution?

[A_Muminah]

as-Salaamu 'Alaykum,

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

There is nothing inherently wrong with democracy. Indeed for a Muslim majority nation, democracy should bring Shariah, provided that the Muslims in that country are in touch with their deen.

It all goes back to the deen, how much deen does RAWA promote? Instead these people promote being seculer and the western lifestyle. Again, I love that they are helping the poor, educating women and providing medical care but I have to disagree with many of their goals.

May Allaah guide us all and make us of those that seek His pleasure. Aameen

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by A_Muminah

as-Salaamu 'Alaykum,


It all goes back to the deen, how much deen does RAWA promote? Instead these people promote being seculer and the western lifestyle. Again, I love that they are helping the poor, educating women and providing medical care but I have to disagree with many of their goals.

May Allaah guide us all and make us of those that seek His pleasure. Aameen

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah

I can't think that in a Muslim country they will have much long term success. In any Muslim country, especially one so traumatized s Afghanistan, you need to found your reform on the basic values of the country. You can't just throw everything out and start over, that only causes more trauma becuase along with losing their loved ones in war, now they also lose their culture and identity. There are plenty of Islamic solutions to the un-Islamic abuses of human rights that go on in Afghanistan. Real true Islam gives full rights to women. To me it seems that in Afghanistan and elsewhere, people wrongly promote the idea that denying women rights is correct and Islamic, and unfortunately nobody stands up to challenge that. Everything can be done within the framework of Shariah. At least that's what I think.

[WarriorAndWiseman]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Do you have a solution?

Since there is no hope of an amalgamation of all the interpretations of the same religion from different schools of thoughts, no hope of reconciliation over religious issues between ethnic groups and no hope of a complete abolishment of religion itself perhaps a shift towards a semi-secular state? to reduce the power of authoritarian religious figures.

[roberto]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

I can't think that in a Muslim country they will have much long term success. In any Muslim country, especially one so traumatized s Afghanistan, you need to found your reform on the basic values of the country. You can't just throw everything out and start over, that only causes more trauma becuase along with losing their loved ones in war, now they also lose their culture and identity. There are plenty of Islamic solutions to the un-Islamic abuses of human rights that go on in Afghanistan. Real true Islam gives full rights to women. To me it seems that in Afghanistan and elsewhere, people wrongly promote the idea that denying women rights is correct and Islamic, and unfortunately nobody stands up to challenge that. Everything can be done within the framework of Shariah. At least that's what I think.

Trouble is as I understand it, there is no one Islamic leader who can speak with absolute authority,so you are left with various interpretations

[Musashi]

Asallamu 'alaikum wa rahmatulLahi wa barakatuh

This is truely heartbreaking, although it's nothing new.

The more I learn about this world, the more I regret it, it's made me a very pessimistic person.

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by A_Muminah

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum,


What sort of Muslim organizations support RAWA?

I applaud RAWA for doing many things such as starting schools for girls and giving out humanitarian but they also have a side agenda, which is very disturbing.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah.

There are a number of organizations that support RAWA as well as notable Islamic individuals. Here are some.

Muslim Home schooling

Dr. Fawzia Afzal-Khan, Professor, Department of English
Montclair State University

Women livng under Islam Laws
Muslim Women's League

Islam for Today

Progressive Muslim Network

Islam for Today

Islamic Center of Southern California

Crescent Life

Shirkat Gah

Farsi Net

Afghan Womens Mission


So what is the disturbing side agenda that RAWA has. would love to know more.

[A_Muminah]

As-salaamu 'Alaykum,

Islamic? Yep. Of course, afterall the nation is called the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.

Was-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakatauh