Pakistani Army ordered to retaliate against (US) raids

[mekrob]

LAHORE: The Pakistan Army will retaliate against foreign raids on Pakistani territory, Aaj TV quoted ISPR spokesman Major General Athar Abbas as saying on Thursday. According to the channel, Abbas told the BBC that Pakistan would not tolerate military action from across the border, adding that the coalition forces in Afghanistan had already been informed about it. He said a decision on any retaliatory action would be taken when the time came, adding that Pakistan’s reaction would be in accordance with the degree of intervention. daily times monitor

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[bluey]

Ah, finally. I'm surprised they're actually willing to take action considering their previous silence.

I wonder where this will go.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Its not going to happen.

Public grandstanding is great for keeping the masses under control.

[Rambo]

^ acutally pakistani army is not filled with people like you. They will most likely retaliate when given orders.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Rambo said

^ acutally pakistani army is not filled with people like you. They will most likely retaliate when given orders.

So says the village idiot.

[Glasgow]

I highly doubt the Americans possess the yaani, how you say balls to attempt anything serious within the Pakistani border. Pakistan Isn't like Afghanistan or Iraq It has a proper organised army.. one of the strongest ones in the region. Not to mention its strong relations with China as well.

[TrentReznor858]

Rambo said

^ acutally pakistani army is not filled with people like you. They will most likely retaliate when given orders.

Retaliate? Against whom? The army across the border that is doing what they should be doing? (IE rooting out the militants?) Yea, thats a good idea. Attack someone who is doing your job for ya.

[jinnzaman]

Glasgow said

I highly doubt the Americans possess the yaani, how you say balls to attempt anything serious within the Pakistani border. Pakistan Isn't like Afghanistan or Iraq It has a proper organised army.. one of the strongest ones in the region. Not to mention its strong relations with China as well.

I think you overestimate the Pakistani army. They barely defeated India in its last serious military engagement - and the Indian army got its but kicked by the Chinese which aren't exactly a first class military.

Also, I don't see how land forces can deal with the overwhelming air superiority of the American air force.

If Pakistan got involved into a serious military conflagration with the US, it would get bombed back into the stone age. Moreover, the US would probably use India or Afghanistan to send in ground forces. Pakistan's neighbors would take advantage of the situation to reorganize the country along their interests (Afghanistan in the Pathan areas and India in Kashmir).

The only notable ally of Pakistan is China and I don't think the Chinese are at the stage where there willing to face off with America at this point.

My personal opinion is that America is intentionally trying to cause state fragmentation in Pakistan in order to clear up India's western border so that it can focus on engaging in China. The war on terror is probably nothing more than a guise for America to re-organize the world as it sees fit in order to contain Russia, China, India, and Europe.

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[MossadConspiracy]

yeah right

[IbnMardhiyah]

jinnzaman said

The only notable ally of Pakistan is China and I don't think the Chinese are at the stage where there willing to face off with America at this point.

The Chinese have made massive investments in building their deep-sea port at Gawadar. They're not going to let America threaten that investment so easily. I think if any serious incident happens between Pakistani and American forces, it'll be diplomatic maneuvering between various parties who have vested interests in the status quo that will settle things down, instead of resorting to escalating conflict.

[jinnzaman]

IbnMardhiyah said

The Chinese have made massive investments in building their deep-sea port at Gawadar. They're not going to let America threaten that investment so easily. I think if any serious incident happens between Pakistani and American forces, it'll be diplomatic maneuvering between various parties who have vested interests in the status quo that will settle things down, instead of resorting to escalating conflict.

China's also invested heavily in Iraq and Sudan. While they've engaged in a lot of diplomatic opposition, I doubt that'll be enough to cause a military conflagration. America knows its got the upperhand on the world in terms of military power and economic stability. While it can't engage in too many places at once, it can take on certain countries. Pakistan, like Afghanistan and Somalia, is a failed state. You also forget that Pakistan's military has been largely supported by US aid and the Chinese. You assume that America needs control in Pakistan - it doesn't. They can bomb the country and walk away so long as the nukes are safe. There are enough traitors within Pakistan that will be willing to give America Pakistan's nukes so long as their own skin is saved.

Trust me, if Pakistan challenges American hegemony directly and America responds with force, it will get very ugly in Pakistan.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Rambo said

^ acutally pakistani army is not filled with people like you. They will most likely retaliate when given orders.

They'll retaliate despite and not because of orders

[Glasgow]

Another interesting aspect would be what the UK does.. With a large Pakistani minority.. the suicide bomb recruiters would have a field day.

[IbnMardhiyah]

jinnzaman said

China's also invested heavily in Iraq and Sudan.

True, but that's not what I'm referring to.

China hasn't made anything kind of investments in Iraq or Sudan near the type or size of investment its made in Pakistan - please recall that Gawadar is a deep sea port and Pakistan has given China full license to use that for military purposes. That is why Gawadar is being developed - China will be using it to station its own naval fleets to patrol the warm waters of the Indian Ocean as well as the Persian Gulf. As a side benefit to Pakistan, Gawadar will also be used as a port city alternative to Karachi for risk management, but that's just a secondary benefit.

While they've engaged in a lot of diplomatic opposition, I doubt that'll be enough to cause a military conflagration.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that cooler heads will prevail because a lot of different parties have a lot of vested economic interests at stake. China will engage in diplomatic overtures specifically to prevent an escalation in any military conflict between Pakistan and America.

Trust me, if Pakistan challenges American hegemony directly and America responds with force, it will get very ugly in Pakistan.

No one's arguing that, but I don't believe America is so stupid that they would risk exponentially magnifying the existing chaos, instability and anarchy in Pakistan just to prove something like that.

[jinnzaman]

IbnMardhiyah said

True, but that's not what I'm referring to.

China hasn't made anything kind of investments in Iraq or Sudan near the type or size of investment its made in Pakistan - please recall that Gawadar is a deep sea port and Pakistan has given China full license to use that for military purposes. That is why Gawadar is being developed - China will be using it to station its own naval fleets to patrol the warm waters of the Indian Ocean as well as the Persian Gulf. As a side benefit to Pakistan, Gawadar will also be used as a port city alternative to Karachi for risk management, but that's just a secondary benefit.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that cooler heads will prevail because a lot of different parties have a lot of vested economic interests at stake. China will engage in diplomatic overtures specifically to prevent an escalation in any military conflict between Pakistan and America.

No one's arguing that, but I don't believe America is so stupid that they would risk exponentially magnifying the existing chaos, instability and anarchy in Pakistan just to prove something like that.

China invested in Iraq and Sudan's oil development. China gets something like 10% of its oil from Sudan, which is a huge amount. I agree that China will raise all hell if its investments are quashed, but even if Gawader is as important as you say, it doesn't mean that they will defend Pakistan over a single port.

Again, if push comes to shove, most of the countries will just look the other way or probably raise condemnations in the UN. They might covertly fund Pakistani guerillas, but I doubt anything else.