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Ethnic Cleansing of African-Americans:

Kentucky Town Re-Examines Its Racial History : NPR

Ethnic Cleansing, American Style - washingtonpost.com

AmericanHeritage.com / Race Cleansing in America

Independent Lens . BANISHED | PBS

There's a bunch of books on lynching as well.
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law is an awesome career option for people who suck at science and math.

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Local law enforcement doesn't equal federal government, neither do "vigilante groups." You're going to have to prove that ethnic cleansing had a real federal mandate for all these groups. The only one I'm aware of is Native Americans.

As for Mexicans in the Great Depression, they were kicked out, they were systematically killed. So far as I'm aware, ethnic cleansing does require violence, or it's just relocation.

If you're going to argue that even non-violent relocation, or non-government mandated persecution of minorities is the same as ethnic cleansing, than the Muslim world has a HUGE problem. Be careful with your definitions.
Firstly, a governmental action is still a governmental action, regardless if it is local, state, or federal.

Secondly, the federal government did participate in ethnic cleansing on multiple occasions (such as using the military to forcibly relocate the Indians).

Thirdly, its ethnic cleansing because not only were they kicked out but their property and land were seized after they left.

Fourthly, who says that ethnic cleansing has to be violent?
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I'm working on a separate research project concerning institutional racism and minorities, but thats a whole different topic from ethnic and racial cleansing.
Don't you think imprisoning large portions of a population based on their ethnicity is effectively a form of ethnic cleansing?

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What about patent law?
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What about patent law?
you mean pencil pushing engineers? Ya thats pretty cool



jk plz nobody get all defensive, every career is equally good

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America committed ethnic cleansing against the Bosnians and Croats by not stopping the Serbs sooner. America also committed ethnic cleansing against the Serbs by later bombing them
I know you said this in jest, but NATO didn't stop Croatians from engaging in ethnic cleansing after they cleared out the Serbs through their bombing campaigns. Which has lead some to speculate that the entire concern was less with stopping ethnic cleansing and more with revitalizing the NATO alliance in the post-war period. The people who support this proposition base this on the large inactivity of America in other areas.

For example, while the NATO bombing campaign was going on, a major NATO ally, Turkey, was engaging in some really rough tactics against the Kurds in its own territory that many have condemned as ethnic cleansing as well.
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Don't you think imprisoning large portions of a population based on their ethnicity is effectively a form of ethnic cleansing?
I can see an argument, but give me some more information to support your assertions.
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Firstly, a governmental action is still a governmental action, regardless if it is local, state, or federal.

Secondly, the federal government did participate in ethnic cleansing on multiple occasions (such as using the military to forcibly relocate the Indians).

Thirdly, its ethnic cleansing because not only were they kicked out but their property and land were seized after they left.

Fourthly, who says that ethnic cleansing has to be violent?
In the United States, there is a definite difference between local, state, and federal government. Taking Pakistan as an example, if a Pakistani policeman got all P'Od and burned down his Hindu neighbors house without a federal mandate to do so, and it was reported in a western newspaper as "Pakistani Government Destroys Hindu Property" I'm pretty sure you would be the first to raise your hand and yell false reporting.

Ethnic cleansing against Indians is well known. There was also an order to exterminate Mormons in Utah. I'm not aware of any military action being taken against Mexicans or any other group you mentioned.

"Ethnic Cleansing" as it's used almost always means violence. If a predominantly Black neighborhood lived in a flood plain, their properties were flooded, and the government subsequently bought their flooded property (causing the people to relocate) that would not be considered Ethnic Cleansing, even though the Black Population was obviously eliminated from their land.

Again, just be careful about your definition.
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jinnz is definitely more intelligent than the average law school student, mA

btw, first match on google for ethnic cleansing america:

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"Ethnic Cleansing" as it's used almost always means violence.
It can be used to mean that, but not necessarily, nor is it "almost always" used that way.

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If a predominantly Black neighborhood lived in a flood plain, their properties were flooded, and the government subsequently bought their flooded property (causing the people to relocate) that would not be considered Ethnic Cleansing, even though the Black Population was obviously eliminated from their land.
If a predominantly black neighborhood was forcefully relocated because they were black and that was an undesirable trait/ethnicity according to the authority in the area, that would be a form of ethnic cleansing.
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