[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

I promise you there are waay more ex-christian athiests than you will ever find ex-muslim athiests. maybe the whole three in one, trinity is even too much of a headache for your own folks to try and figure out.

The qustion you guys need to be asking is very simple, why do so many christians flee the church is such huge vast numbers that you need to go find new converts among the animists and tribals of africa?

Actually, I think you have got it wrong about Africa. That may have been true 50 years or more ago, but now there are more Christians in Africa than any european country. Also, I think the reason that you won't find many ex muslims as atheists is the fear of being executed for leaving the faith. they may be atheists at heart though and just going through the motions to avoid a stoning.

[roberto]

Originally Posted by Shahnawaz

Your an idiot, what do you want anyone to say about these people. They are Murtadeen. SO?

If you have difficulties with the written word,get someone to read this :Are their fears justified? for you.

From your sad little post, I guess with a moron like you, they do indeed have reason to fear, makes you fell big I guess, God how pathetic can you get

[roberto]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

maybe you should be more concerned with ex-christians who decide to become pagan wiccans instead of worrying about our athiests LOL

at least our folks dont become pagans, in the manner that yours do. or worst, they become satanists and have it propogated through people like marlyn manson.

I promise you there are waay more ex-christian athiests than you will ever find ex-muslim athiests. maybe the whole three in one, trinity is even too much of a headache for your own folks to try and figure out.

The qustion you guys need to be asking is very simple, why do so many christians flee the church is such huge vast numbers that you need to go find new converts among the animists and tribals of africa?

This is so typical of those who cannot face up to anything that could be conceived as critical of Islam, instead of answering the question you rant off about ex-Christians .

You see the question as an attack, you assume no doubt that the possible fears all relate to violence, instead, well at least within the protection of Western secular laws, that the fears may well be limited to working and social environments

To make it easy, for instance if a Christian leaves the church, his Christian friends will not ostracize him, his Christian boss will not sack him , he will not become an undesirable , an outcast:: can that be said of a Muslim leaving his religion?

Now lets have a sensible comment

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by roberto

To make it easy, for instance if a Christian leaves the church, his Christian friends will not ostracize him, his Christian boss will not sack him , he will not become an undesirable , an outcast:: can that be said of a Muslim leaving his religion?

that depends on which kind of Christians you're talking about.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

plenty of Muslims dont practice Islam, especally in the manner that they should. you wont find them ostracized you wont find them being harrassed in the streets.

i find it hilarious that you roberto feel the need to preach to me about my community, when you dont know jack about it.

in india the top movie stars are all muslim, yet they dont practice it. they take part in hindu festivals, some marry hindu women, or marry thier sisters off to hindu men. you dont see fanatical mullahs attacking them with bombs, maybe because thier stardom outreaches them.

the fact is, it is your peoples hatred for Islam and hatred for Muslims which is causing you to bring up nonsense like this.

If you want to have a debate on Islam and christianity im more than happy to take part in it. i have always questioned my faith and i have no problems with others questioning it.

but you dont care to do to that, instead your not different than the bible thumper who screams on the street.

if you really care about your faith, maybe you should go back to your flock and ask them why do they sleep in on sunday mornings?

and most of your behavior on here would not be considered christian-like to begin with. doesnt the bible teach you that jesus said 'love thy enemy'????

i have studied many faiths, and most of the world's major religions teach the same universal message of love and humanity to mankind.

Islam says that this message has been sent to man throughout the ages, but forgotten by man, which is why Islam came to remind man of that message.

how truly sad it is, that you have allowed the media hawkers who use fear to sell thier news outlets to allow you form prejudicial views about a faith and people you know very little about that you feel the need to come and preach to a people you know practically nothing about and could care less about.

go home roberto, go home and get off the net, and go spend more time with your family, and if you have any, your children and think about which priorities are more important in your life. surely 1 billion Muslims doesnt need your attention.

[roberto]

[quote=GOTFIVEONIT;10372]

plenty of Muslims dont practice Islam, especally in the manner that they should. you wont find them ostracized you wont find them being harrassed in the streets.

The subject are those that denounce their Islamic faith

i find it hilarious that you roberto feel the need to preach to me about my community, when you dont know jack about it.

I did not preach about anything, I just ask a question

in india the top movie stars are all muslim, yet they dont practice it. they take part in hindu festivals, some marry hindu women, or marry thier sisters off to hindu men. you dont see fanatical mullahs attacking them with bombs, maybe because thier stardom outreaches them.

The subject are those that denounce their Islamic faith

the fact is, it is your peoples hatred for Islam and hatred for Muslims which is causing you to bring up nonsense like this.

I asked a question

If you want to have a debate on Islam and christianity im more than happy to take part in it. i have always questioned my faith and i have no problems with others questioning it.

Yet you repeatly avoid answering my question

but you dont care to do to that, instead your not different than the bible thumper who screams on the street.

I care to, and indeed I have ,here's the question "Are their fears justified?"

if you really care about your faith, maybe you should go back to your flock and ask them why do they sleep in on sunday mornings?

Why the change in subject?

and most of your behavior on here would not be considered christian-like to begin with. doesnt the bible teach you that jesus said 'love thy enemy'????

You make assumption as well as judgements

i have studied many faiths, and most of the world's major religions teach the same universal message of love and humanity to mankind.

Yes of course, such as stonning to death!

Islam says that this message has been sent to man throughout the ages, but forgotten by man, which is why Islam came to remind man of that message.

Your faith

how truly sad it is, that you have allowed the media hawkers who use fear to sell thier news outlets to allow you form prejudicial views about a faith and people you know very little about that you feel the need to come and preach to a people you know practically nothing about and could care less about.

Well my question gave you a chance to dispel one of these unfounded criticisms yet you chose not to answer, in spite of my guidance away from the more offensive material which is readily available, true or otherwise on the net

go home roberto, go home and get off the net, and go spend more time with your family, and if you have any, your children and think about which priorities are more important in your life. surely 1 billion Muslims doesnt need your attention

Thanks for the advice, but tell me why do you fear questions ?

[roberto]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

that depends on which kind of Christians you're talking about.

Yes I'm generalising and referring to the main Christian groups, although, even with those, in NI Catholics ran into problems applying for jobs with Protestant Bosses and visa versa, so much for the love professed by religions

[GOTFIVEONIT]

2% of idoitic athiests who left Islam is hardly a worry for me. why should i care if they chose to leave? you can claim all you want that they claim to be 'harrassed' or that their live thier lives in fear, from who? a few idoits who maybe upset about it? big frickin deal.

call the cops if they are that worried, end of story. everyone has fanatics, what do you want me to do about it? you see me fighting with them right here on this forum.

as for stoning to death, while it is mentioned in many of the world's sacred texts, its a very sad day indeed if thats all you choose to see.

i know plenty of people who claimed to be athiests, some who were even born into muslim families. let's see how athiest they are when they are laying on thier death bed.

you could not convince me to leave my faith, anymore you could convince a catholic from northern ireland to leave his. its my identity and im daam proud that i am a Muslim, regardless of what you think of that.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

let's see how athiest they are when they are laying on thier death bed.

Or when they're about to die / drown while still healthy.

Its amazing how quickly atheists all of a sudden believe in God if and when they're facing imminent death.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Or when they're about to die / drown while still healthy.

Its amazing how quickly atheists all of a sudden believe in God if and when they're facing imminent death.

wanna hear something funny. the paki athiests i knew never ate pork, even after becoming self-proclaimed athiests LOL.

[roberto]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

2% of idoitic athiests who left Islam is hardly a worry for me. why should i care if they chose to leave? you can claim all you want that they claim to be 'harrassed' or that their live thier lives in fear, from who? a few idoits who maybe upset about it? big frickin deal.

call the cops if they are that worried, end of story. everyone has fanatics, what do you want me to do about it? you see me fighting with them right here on this forum.

as for stoning to death, while it is mentioned in many of the world's sacred texts, its a very sad day indeed if thats all you choose to see.

i know plenty of people who claimed to be athiests, some who were even born into muslim families. let's see how athiest they are when they are laying on thier death bed.

you could not convince me to leave my faith, anymore you could convince a catholic from northern ireland to leave his. its my identity and im daam proud that i am a Muslim, regardless of what you think of that.

Oh dear you do seem to have a problem, all I asked and it was a genuine question "do these people as they claim, who leave Islam, have a reason to fear" and in return you provide this unbelievable dialog of totally unnecessary defence of yourself and your faith.

On the subject of faith and remember this is not the general subject as such if you look through my post you will find that my comments are only on the secular impingement of faiths i.e. where it does, or may effect my life and the lives of others not of the faith in question

In trying to understand your outburst, I lean towards the belief that having entered the discussion without thought you now are desperately try to change , enlarge,enflame and escalate the exchange in order to hide your embarrassment . Take heart and calm down we all jump in without looking sometimes

[roberto]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Or when they're about to die / drown while still healthy.

Its amazing how quickly atheists all of a sudden believe in God if and when they're facing imminent death.

And what do you think that proves?

[roberto]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

wanna hear something funny. the paki athiests i knew never ate pork, even after becoming self-proclaimed athiests LOL.

Well yes, indoctrination can have lasting effects

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by roberto

And what do you think that proves?

That you are, in the words of Sixpak, a complete idiot.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT