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I wouldn't want my kids participating in such institution

Stick with community college.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

You know, that works well for you, who comes from a very rich family and has the OPTION of moving. Not everyone can. I don't think it's as black and white as you're trying to make it. Allah (swt) knows best. If you TRY to get out of it, and can't, then you never know, inshallah Allah (swt) will forgive you, if indeed it's really wrong.

You tell me, what is some poor ghetto Muslim kid who was born in the US and has no funds or passport for going to Canada going to do if they get drafted, and their objection is denied. Do you really think Allah (swt) is going to condemn them to hell? Do you really think that Allah (swt) is that unjust? I'm talking about when someone has tried, and been unable to change their situation. That ayat, to me, speaks of someone who never tried to change their situation.

Do you see what I'm trying to say?

Whoever aids the kufaar against the Muslims becomes a murtad (apostate). End of story.

Shaykh Abdullah ibn Humaid said:

[Whoever] helps them (the kufaar) against the believers, then such constitutes apostasy....It is obligatory to apply the rules of apostasy upon such a person [i.e. death]. (Ad-Durrar 15/479)

Are you telling me that a poor ghetto kid cannot get a passport nor can he save up a measly $1000 for a plane ticket? You can earn that much working for McDonalds.

Take that money, flee the country, and come penniless to some Muslim country. Allah [swt] will provide, and many have suffered before you.

You can teach English and make a decent living in a Muslim country, just based on your accent.

Tell me: why is it that a young kid suddenly becomes a man firing a gun and facing enemies on the battlefield, but this same so-called 'young kid' cannot provide for himself in a peaceful country!? How in the world fighting easier than teaching English in a foreign country!?

[Bluestar]

brother, mcdonalds is haraam. Surely you do not urge a brother to work in a haraam place? however good the tartar sauce might be.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

brother, mcdonalds is haraam. Surely you do not urge a brother to work in a haraam place? however good the tartar sauce might be.

lol good point. but you know what i mean. how about a kinko's instead of a mcdonalds?

[ShotgunMessiah]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

You can teach English and make a decent living in a Muslim country, just based on your accent.

I'm sure nobody over there would harbor the same hate for all things American like you do. Surely that couldn't happen, that would be beyond comprehension!

[PhDGirl]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

It is haram to serve in the kaafir army of taghoot. Whoever does that risks his status in the Hereafter. It could be kufr and grounds for apostasy.

How do you reconcile this with the fact that you're applying for residency in the US and therefore will be caring for soldiers and veterans in the VA system? It's not like you'll be in a position to only care for those who serve in a way in which you approve.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Whoever aids the kufaar against the Muslims becomes a murtad (apostate). End of story.

Shaykh Abdullah ibn Humaid said:

[Whoever] helps them (the kufaar) against the believers, then such constitutes apostasy....It is obligatory to apply the rules of apostasy upon such a person [i.e. death]. (Ad-Durrar 15/479)

Are you telling me that a poor ghetto kid cannot get a passport nor can he save up a measly $1000 for a plane ticket? You can earn that much working for McDonalds.

Take that money, flee the country, and come penniless to some Muslim country. Allah [swt] will provide, and many have suffered before you.

You can teach English and make a decent living in a Muslim country, just based on your accent.

Tell me: why is it that a young kid suddenly becomes a man firing a gun and facing enemies on the battlefield, but this same so-called 'young kid' cannot provide for himself in a peaceful country!? How in the world fighting easier than teaching English in a foreign country!?

Your post betrays a serious lack of knowledge about how the world turns for poor people. If you're a poor high school drop-out kid, or only have a HS diploma and have to support yourself on a low wage job, it's difficult to scrape together the money to get a passport, let alone save the nearly $2000 it costs just for the plane ticket to a Muslim country. Also, you need some kind of education to teach English in a foreign country. They don't just take anyone. My sis worked in Taiwan teaching English, but they only let her because she had a good education. If you don't have that education, those jobs aren't open to you.

A draft is exceptionally unlikely to happen except in the event of a full out World War. In that case, the cause may be just, and is likely not to be against a Muslim country. In such a case, how can you say with 100% sureity that it would be haram to serve in the armed forces? What if the war was against, say, China, which country ALSO oppresses Muslims? Wouldn't it be a good thing to submit to service in such an instance?

If you want to think that every opressed person who has tried, but was unable to change their situation is doomed to hell, be my guest. You're damning a lot of people in that case, many of them your brothers and sisters in Muslim lands who are oppressed by their rulers, or by eachother. What answer are we to give then to the oppressed in Iraq? Should we just tell them all to leave their country? Many of them are trying mostly by illegal means to leave, but most are unable. Do you think that Allah (swt) is not aware of their trials and will punish them more than he's already punishing them becuase their poverty and destitution makes them unable to relocate? How about those who have relocate, only to fall into prostitution and drug traficking? What about all the Afghans who have started growing poppy, which is surely haram, to feed themselves? Where are we to tell them to go to start their lives anew? Are they damned to hell for certainty?

What happened to you stance of giving your Muslim brothers excuses for what wrongs they may commit, or their hard situations? Does that idea not extend to your Muslim brothers in the west?

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by PhDGirl

How do you reconcile this with the fact that you're applying for residency in the US and therefore will be caring for soldiers and veterans in the VA system? It's not like you'll be in a position to only care for those who serve in a way in which you approve.

You are conflating issues. If you cannot see the difference between joining a military, and working in a civilian hospital, then you are just being obtuse.

And I don't think that all doctors need to work in the VA system. Someone correct me if I am wrong on this.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Your post betrays a serious lack of knowledge about how the world turns for poor people.

Actually it is YOUR post which is full of crap and incorrect facts. I will expose your incorrect facts, and from this exercise, hopefully you will learn to be more careful when you accuse me of things, which you have done in the past before and now you continue to do.

If you're a poor high school drop-out kid, or only have a HS diploma and have to support yourself on a low wage job, it's difficult to scrape together the money to get a passport,

Please don't speak out of your butt.

A passport "costs" $100. That's it. You are telling me you can't make $100 working for kinkos?

All these ghetto kids save up money to buy expensive basketball shoes. You don't think they can save up $100? Minimum wage is about $8. That's 13 hours of work. Oh my gosh! How in the world can they work an incredible 13 hours!

let alone save the nearly $2000 it costs just for the plane ticket to a Muslim country.

What's up with the incredible numbers you are using? Do you think lying will help establish your point? Do you think using incredible numbers will show how my post shows a 'lack of knowledge'? Puh-lease. You are seriously ticking me off.

A ROUND trip ticket to Pakistan costs $1000. So your figure is double what it costs. I would know, because I routinely travel back and forth. Yes, sometimes it's $1300-1400, but you can easily find tickets for much less if you try hard enough. But it is not $2000, so stop blowing air.

So its $1000 ROUND trip. Considering the fact that you don't need a round trip ticket at all, that is about $650 or $700 we are talking about.

So in order to make hijrah, a 'ghetto kid' needs about $1000. And he might want another grand to sustain himself in the first few months. So we are talking about a net total of $2000. Based on minimum wage, he can make that much in less than two months.

Also, you need some kind of education to teach English in a foreign country. They don't just take anyone. My sis worked in Taiwan teaching English, but they only let her because she had a good education. If you don't have that education, those jobs aren't open to you.

Again, stop speaking without knowledge. Seriously. You have a tendency do to that, and it's irritating.

Somehow because you know about Taiwan, now suddenly you have knowledge about all Muslim countries?

In Saudia, you can make $40 an hour (!!!) just teaching English, even without having a high school degree. I PERSONALLY know of a high school student who did this. You don't need to work for one of the big companies in order to tutor English..there are Arabs who will hire you privately and pay you big bucks to teach them English, all based on your accent.

Forget that, come to Pakistan. You can make 50,000+ rupees working for a call center. I know this, because I have friends who did that. You don't need any high school degree to do that. You just need an accent.

So your whole argument is destroyed.

Poor people scrape up money to bury their dead, do they not? Surely they can scrape up money to make hijrah!

OK let's say that a person can't scrape up a measly $2000 to make hijrah. Then he can get a free ride from the US military. They station him in Iraq. Nothing prevents him from going AWOL and disappearing into the country.

There is absolutely no excuse or justification for joining the kaafir armies of taghoot.

[PhDGirl]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

You are conflating issues. If you cannot see the difference between joining a military, and working in a civilian hospital, then you are just being obtuse.

And I don't think that all doctors need to work in the VA system. Someone correct me if I am wrong on this.

How is the VA a civilian hospital? As for whether or not you're wrong, you'll find out in residency!

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by PhDGirl

How is the VA a civilian hospital? As for whether or not you're wrong, you'll find out in residency!

You would first have to prove that all residents across the board must work in a VA hospital.

[PhDGirl]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

You would first have to prove that all residents across the board must work in a VA hospital.

I don't need to prove anything because you are fully capable of looking it up. Just so you know, each VA is affiliated with a medical school and its academic medical center and just about every medical school is affiliated with a VA. This happened after WWII to care for returning vets and the relationship stands today. Thus, the odds are that you will be caring for some VA patients. There are a few residency programs that aren't affiliated with medical schools, but as you know, the vast majority are. If you are as against the US military as you claim, are you planning on only applying to non-VA affiliated programs and then not pursuing medicine if you don't get into one?

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Actually it is YOUR post which is full of crap and incorrect facts. I will expose your incorrect facts, and from this exercise, hopefully you will learn to be more careful when you accuse me of things, which you have done in the past before and now you continue to do.

Please don't speak out of your butt.

A passport "costs" $100. That's it. You are telling me you can't make $100 working for kinkos?

All these ghetto kids save up money to buy expensive basketball shoes. You don't think they can save up $100? Minimum wage is about $8. That's 13 hours of work. Oh my gosh! How in the world can they work an incredible 13 hours!

What's up with the incredible numbers you are using? Do you think lying will help establish your point? Do you think using incredible numbers will show how my post shows a 'lack of knowledge'? Puh-lease. You are seriously ticking me off.

A ROUND trip ticket to Pakistan costs $1000. So your figure is double what it costs. I would know, because I routinely travel back and forth. Yes, sometimes it's $1300-1400, but you can easily find tickets for much less if you try hard enough. But it is not $2000, so stop blowing air.

So its $1000 ROUND trip. Considering the fact that you don't need a round trip ticket at all, that is about $650 or $700 we are talking about.

So in order to make hijrah, a 'ghetto kid' needs about $1000. And he might want another grand to sustain himself in the first few months. So we are talking about a net total of $2000. Based on minimum wage, he can make that much in less than two months.

Again, stop speaking without knowledge. Seriously. You have a tendency do to that, and it's irritating.

Somehow because you know about Taiwan, now suddenly you have knowledge about all Muslim countries?

In Saudia, you can make $40 an hour (!!!) just teaching English, even without having a high school degree. I PERSONALLY know of a high school student who did this. You don't need to work for one of the big companies in order to tutor English..there are Arabs who will hire you privately and pay you big bucks to teach them English, all based on your accent.

Forget that, come to Pakistan. You can make 50,000+ rupees working for a call center. I know this, because I have friends who did that. You don't need any high school degree to do that. You just need an accent.

So your whole argument is destroyed.

Poor people scrape up money to bury their dead, do they not? Surely they can scrape up money to make hijrah!

OK let's say that a person can't scrape up a measly $2000 to make hijrah. Then he can get a free ride from the US military. They station him in Iraq. Nothing prevents him from going AWOL and disappearing into the country.

There is absolutely no excuse or justification for joining the kaafir armies of taghoot.

No this post betrays YOUR lack of knowledge, you didn't factor in Taxes nor living cost. You have no clue how the world works for a working American. I work for $9.40 and hour in a Bakery, i have $1000 per month in rent, $200 in utilities, and $200 in food. Thats $1400 per month. My mothly wage is around $1504 take into account the fact i have to pay taxes and SS and Union costs i make $1300, i run $100 into the red each month. At this moment in time I am having to take a second job just to amke ends meet.

So your little thoery about making hijrah was cute but doesn';t reflet the true picture of a regular working stiff. Your time in Pakland has whittled away your brain son.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Revert

No this post betrays YOUR lack of knowledge, you didn't factor in Taxes nor living cost. You have no clue how the world works for a working American. I work for $9.40 and hour in a Bakery, i have $1000 per month in rent, $200 in utilities, and $200 in food. Thats $1400 per month. My mothly wage is around $1504 take into account the fact i have to pay taxes and SS and Union costs i make $1300, i run $100 into the red each month. At this moment in time I am having to take a second job just to amke ends meet.

So your little thoery about making hijrah was cute but doesn';t reflet the true picture of a regular working stiff. Your time in Pakland has whittled away your brain son.

Well, you can always get an extra part time job as a grave digger to scrape enough together for hijrah. c'mon, apparently it's so easy to make all this money.