[TrentReznor858]

This thread is hilarious. Armchair quarterbacks on both sides of the ball, thinking they definitively know what is going on with the military and the "war".

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by shadha

AsSalamu' Alaykum,

So I got into a conversation with a Pastor Dave [yes like the character but I kid you not, that was his name ] at my job. I liked the man right off the bat. He was very well-rounded, thoughtful with his words, and very sharp.

He was telling me of his experience in Eritrea [Asmara is the capital and sounds so beautiful with a beautiful meaning, it is now on top of my most wanted female baby names but moving on... ] and describing to me the turmoil the country is in. I forgot how but we began on the conversation of government enforced military enlistment. I didn't hold back. I firmly gave my opinion on it, which thankfully he agreed 110% with.

Do you think the governments of the US, UK & Canada should have an enforced military enlistment upon turning a certain age [such as the age 18]?

I absolutely think so, ESPECIALLY in America. No this has nothing to do with the wars at hand [hell, I don't think those who are apart of the forced enlistment should be deployed to combat zones], but more about the sheer level of arrogance, brattiness, entitlement, and immediate gratification syndrome the children/criminals/parasites of this country are so dreadfully suffering from. They need structure, they need discipline, they need exercise, they need to feel that they are accountable for their actions, and they need to grow the hell up. Hell, as part of serving, they should be given a free college education. See, we hit so many birds with one stone.

Thoughts?


shadha-

it costs tens of thousands of dollars to train an American soldier for one year. Training millions of 18 year olds every year would cost billions of dollars. Exempting them from serving in wars would mean the training and money is basically going down the toilet.

Sending somebody to college costs anywhere from $30,000 to $200,000+. Providing a free college education to every 18 year old in the country would cost the US government tens or hundreds of billions of dollars every year, most of which would be waste.

Also any mandatory service program in the world has exemptions, and anyone from a country that has mandatory service knows that all kinds of corruption and unfairness springs up around those exemptions. The same thing would happen in America

its a bad idea, the USA should not have mandatory service or a draft under any circumstance (other than china or aliens invading us)


ws

[Variable]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

it costs tens of thousands of dollars to train an American soldier for one year. Training millions of 18 year olds every year would cost billions of dollars. Exempting them from serving in wars would mean the training and money is basically going down the toilet.

Sending somebody to college costs anywhere from $30,000 to $200,000+. Providing a free college education to every 18 year old in the country would cost the US government tens or hundreds of billions of dollars every year, most of which would be waste.

Also any mandatory service program in the world has exemptions, and anyone from a country that has mandatory service knows that all kinds of corruption and unfairness springs up around those exemptions. The same thing would happen in America

its a bad idea, the USA should not have mandatory service or a draft under any circumstance (other than china or aliens invading us)


ws

I think many European countries have a pretty good thing going. I'm not going to pretend to understand the cost breakdown of their training etc, but a lot of them have to serve in the reserves. That combined with an option of doing any kind of public service term would be worth looking into.

Of course, it would likely mean a cut in the size and capability of the standing military in the US - not something I thing many people here would argue with.

[ShotgunMessiah]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

I've met a considerable number of mil & ex-mil types and the very few who I considered "intelligent" (all ex mil, ex DOD) pretty much hated the military and what it stood for. It's an open secret that post WW2, the vast majority of people who join the Armed Forces in the US aren't "the best and brightest," as our own former Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, put it.

I won't argue that a lot of the military is the type of individual that couldn't get anywhere else. But to say that they ALL are is just foolishness. Maybe at the bottom level you'll see that more prominent, but especially as ranks rise you'll see the intelligence rise along with it, just like anywhere else.

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

I dunno. The idea of joining an organization which makes a habit of engaging in death and destruction on its privileged establishment's enemies to get a good rate on a loan seems pretty dumb to me.

That's all well and good that you think that, but you picked out only one thing out of what I said. Joining said organization when you have no money for school but wish to pursue a degree, that's the primary motivator I was talking about. Earning a salary while getting your degree for free and not having to pay for your board or amenities really isn't that stupid.

I could go on, but to be honest the discussion has kind of run it's course.

[shadha]

Shotgun: I'm pretty sure shadha is not suggesting to have everyone go and kill everyone and you guys that think all the Army does is kill people, I'm afraid you're the ones who are misinformed. You let hate for America blind you, that is exactly what you become, blind.

Exactly.


shadha-

[AmroodWaala]

Originally Posted by oFoShOuKnO

Take a look at what Hermann Göring(2nd Highest Nazi, behind Hitler himself) said:

...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked,...It works the same in any country.

you wrote:

Originally Posted by oFoShOuKnO

World War II was a war, that I consider a just war against fascist oppression. It is when the United States(and the world) genuinely felt that there was a threat to the freedom of humanity.

[YOUSUFofSD]

Wow, some Muslims actually siding with the killing of Muslims and innocents???

Amazing.

To even have Muslims who back the government/army of America is truly unbelievable. They have killed THOUSANDS OF MUSLIMS AND INNOCENTS, for no other reason than money, and power.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by shadha

AsSalamu' Alaykum,

So I got into a conversation with a Pastor Dave [yes like the character but I kid you not, that was his name ] at my job. I liked the man right off the bat. He was very well-rounded, thoughtful with his words, and very sharp.

He was telling me of his experience in Eritrea [Asmara is the capital and sounds so beautiful with a beautiful meaning, it is now on top of my most wanted female baby names but moving on... ] and describing to me the turmoil the country is in. I forgot how but we began on the conversation of government enforced military enlistment. I didn't hold back. I firmly gave my opinion on it, which thankfully he agreed 110% with.

Do you think the governments of the US, UK & Canada should have an enforced military enlistment upon turning a certain age [such as the age 18]?

I absolutely think so, ESPECIALLY in America. No this has nothing to do with the wars at hand [hell, I don't think those who are apart of the forced enlistment should be deployed to combat zones], but more about the sheer level of arrogance, brattiness, entitlement, and immediate gratification syndrome the children/criminals/parasites of this country are so dreadfully suffering from. They need structure, they need discipline, they need exercise, they need to feel that they are accountable for their actions, and they need to grow the hell up. Hell, as part of serving, they should be given a free college education. See, we hit so many birds with one stone.

Thoughts?


shadha-

I'm with Muhammad Ali on this one...

Its a horrible Idea, what you're suggesting, coupled with U.S. Domestic and Foreign Policy would equal a militant totalitarian society.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by YOUSUFofSD

Wow, some Muslims actually siding with the killing of Muslims and innocents???

Amazing.

To even have Muslims who back the government/army of America is truly unbelievable. They have killed THOUSANDS OF MUSLIMS AND INNOCENTS, for no other reason than money, and power.

I know its really really Stupid.

They Glorify these morons who trade in their souls for "free" college money. I've met so many people who'd rather be drafted and kill then appose the war and be jailed.

Its that selfish american mentality that the author of this thread wants to eradicate by letting the people indulge themselves within this selfish american mentality.

And people wonder why the world hates us?

[FMROMMEL]

[quote=Variable;137675]Isn't there mandatory military service in Islam? Jizyah is imposed on non-muslims because it's not compulsory to take part in that right?
[quote]


Hmmm......If they made military service mandatory I would be fine if they charged muslims and extra tax so they would not have to serve.

[YOUSUFofSD]

[quote=FMROMMEL;137956][quote=Variable;137675]Isn't there mandatory military service in Islam? Jizyah is imposed on non-muslims because it's not compulsory to take part in that right?

Hmmm......If they made military service mandatory I would be fine if they charged muslims and extra tax so they would not have to serve.

yea that would be more than fine.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by ShotgunMessiah

I won't argue that a lot of the military is the type of individual that couldn't get anywhere else. But to say that they ALL are is just foolishness. Maybe at the bottom level you'll see that more prominent, but especially as ranks rise you'll see the intelligence rise along with it, just like anywhere else.

Not necessarily. You might see drive, connections, ambition rise. Intelligence doesn't really have anything to do with what the military, or even corporations, consider to be leadership qualities. As long as you're not a total retard, you're set to go.

Originally Posted by ShotgunMessiah

That's all well and good that you think that, but you picked out only one thing out of what I said. Joining said organization when you have no money for school but wish to pursue a degree, that's the primary motivator I was talking about.

What if you just got a regular student loan instead?

Originally Posted by ShotgunMessiah

Earning a salary while getting your degree for free and not having to pay for your board or amenities really isn't that stupid.

Yeah, except it's the furthest thing from "free."

[AbuSadiq]

Those who call for mandatory military service in the West and the Muslims who support it are very naughty

And so is the dictator Omar Hassan al-Bashir (just saw that Said guy's avatar)

[iliketofish]

Originally Posted by AbuSadiq

Those who call for mandatory military service in the West and the Muslims who support it are naughty.

And so is Omar Hassan al-Bashir (just saw that Said guy's avatar)

You forgot the Jews and the Pygmies.