[shadha]

Chotoo: I seem to recall that some Coast Guard units were also sent to help out after the Asian Tsunami.

If I recall correctly, the US military were the first ones on the scene delivering aid to the Asian [MUSLIM] Tsunami victims. Freakin' Nazis, how dare they.


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[Bruinrab]

What if it were just some form mandatory service? You could have a choice - military, Peace corps, Teach for America, etc. That would be awesome.

[iliketofish]

If you join, you have over 700 bases in over 100 countries to choose from.

[Jamroll]

I know you said, that those who sign up shouldn't be made to fight in wars overseas but that is a being a tad unrealistic. Fighting either to defend the homeland or to attack other nations is the ultimate function of the Armed Forces.

No, I don't think mandatory service is necessary. Especially in Western countries. We have high standards of living, we are vastly more powerful economically and militarily than the rest of the world put together. If we were weaker nations under constant threat of attack, there may be a case for it, but given our favourable, powerful circumstances, I don't think it applies now or any time in the near future.

I understand the reason you came up with the idea is to straighten out our troublemaking youth and fix up society, but maybe we could have mandatory service in some non-Armed forces related programme. Like a boot camp system for troublesome people. Or disciplinary training type programme in schools. They should make it part of the educational system.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by shadha

sheer level of arrogance, brattiness, entitlement, and immediate gratification syndrome the children/criminals/parasites of this country are so dreadfully suffering from.

A lot of people I knew went into the military that were like that. The ones I still know are still like that now. Except now, a number of them have been brainwashed into thinking non-Americans are sub-human. Some of them don't even realize it.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by shadha

If I recall correctly, the US military were the first ones on the scene delivering aid to the Asian [MUSLIM] Tsunami victims. Freakin' Nazis, how dare they.

Yeah, but they weren't doing it out of the good of their hearts. They were doing it because they were ordered to. They'll do whatever they're ordered to. Including kill and destroy, without questioning why.

[shadha]

Bruinrab: What if it were just some form mandatory service? You could have a choice - military, Peace corps, Teach for America, etc. That would be awesome.

That would work. Like a Conscientious Objector type thing.


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[Wolfn]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Yeah, but they weren't doing it out of the good of their hearts. They were doing it because they were ordered to. They'll do whatever they're ordered to. Including kill and destroy, without questioning why.

Like raping a 14 year old girl in front of her family and then killing her family in front of her, before finally killing her.

Let us not forget this:


















Yes, these are Shadha's heros, and she critisizes me and says I'm an idiot for saying that what the American Military does is wrong.

[Bruinrab]

Originally Posted by Wolfn

Like raping a 14 year old girl in front of her family and then killing her family in front of her, before finally killing her.

Yes, these are Shadha's heros, and she critisizes me and says I'm an idiot for saying that what the American Military does is wrong.

Right. Because no Muslim has ever unjustly taken a life or committed an atrocity.

Saying that the entire US military is evil and and every soldier is inherently an evil person is just wrong. Yes, there are major crimes committed by US soldiers, just as there are major crimes committed by Muslims. However, we all know that Islam is not evil and neither are the majority of Muslims (contrary to what roberto would like to believe).

YouTube - Kareem Salama - Brothers in Passing

[shadha]

Wolfn: Like raping a 14 year old girl in front of her family and then killing her family in front of her, before finally killing her.

Oh yes, because there aren't ANY videos existing of groups of Muslims doing the same thing against young girls.

Wolfn: Yes, these are Shadha's heros, and she critisizes me and says I'm an idiot for saying that what the American Military does is wrong.

You are an idiot. Posting pictures lambasting a million plus people based on what a handful of that million plus have heinously done. Yeah, you're just overflowing with intelligence. The same **** can be done and said against Muslims, and every other structured group or nation of people. I don't see your punk ass criticizing the military when they put their life on the line to save others, either within this country or abroad. Oh wait, they have no feelings of their own, they are robotic and just doing as they are told. My bad.

Newaflash, everything you have accused the American military of doing, Muslims have already done it. So what now, are Muslims evil and Nazis as well?


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[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Bruinrab

Right. Because no Muslim has ever unjustly taken a life or committed an atrocity.

What does that have to do with anything? We're not speaking about a people or a culture as a whole. The US Army is a military organization, with a specific set of goals, and the achievement of its goals usually involves death or destruction. That's how militaries work. People who join the military are generally aware of this.

So creating an analogy between the entire Muslim world & the US Army makes 0 sense. A better analogy would be comparing al-Qaeda and the US Army. Some Muslims support al-Qaeda and believe they are doing everything they can to protect and serve Muslims.. just like some Americans support the US Army and believe they're doing everything they can to protect and serve Americans.

Originally Posted by bruinrab

Saying that the entire US military is evil and and every soldier is inherently an evil person is just wrong.

Do you think all of the Nazis were evil and that every soldier in the German army was evil?

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Shadha, what a completely stupid idea. lol

I've been on a forum full of US military men, and I've also interacted with some of them in real life. And I must say that they are amongst the DUMBEST people I've ever met. They are incredibly ignorant meat-heads. They are racist, and they think that Americans are superior to all, especially those "Muslim a**holes". That is their favorite word when they refer to us: a**holes.

I've known a LOT of military and ex-military types coz of the nature of my work, especially when I was working in DC. Some were VERY cool - but when I think about it, all of them enlisted pre-Gulf War I. I think there's a different culture amongst the military post Gulf War I, and the vast majority who enlisted after that were generally virulently anti-Muslim types. Or more accurately, "anti-Whatever America Told Them To Be."

And thinking further, I suppose pre-Gulf War I mil types were exactly the same.. but it was less noticeable because they hated Communists, instead of "sand *******."

[shadha]

Hanbali: You are hated by us Muslims, and you WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED BY THE WEST EITHER. You are a pathetic person.

'Us' Muslims? Oh shut up.


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[Bruinrab]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

What does that have to do with anything? We're not speaking about a people or a culture as a whole. The US Army is a military organization, with a specific set of goals, and the achiits goals usually involve death or destruction. That's how militaries work. People who join the military are generally aware of this.

So creating an analogy between the entire Muslim world & the US Army makes 0 sense. A better analogy would be comparing al-Qaeda and the US Army. Some Muslims support al-Qaeda and believe they are doing everything they can to protect and serve Muslims.. just like some Americans support the US Army and believe they're doing everything they can to protect and serve Muslims.

I strongly disagree. Shrug.

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Do you think all of the Nazis were evil and that every soldier in the German army was evil?

As a collective, there's no doubt that Nazi Germany, as a whole, was evil, as was Adolf Hitler. However, do I think that every German soldier was evil? No, honestly, I don't.

People do evil things under the orders of those in power, and for many people, power is intoxicating. Ever hear of the Stanford prison experiment?

Hitler was evil. Bush is evil. Cheney is evil. Their foot soldiers who carry out orders out of fear, loyalty, or need are not evil - misguided, ignorant, indifferent, brainwashed, yes. But not evil.