[Ilikemyscarf]

That was too painful to read.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

What is a kaffayah? And what exactly is fulfilling a kaffayah? Your pipe dream about controlling all the oil?

There's two types of fardh - fardh 'ayn and fardh kifaya.

Fardh 'ayn is the thing that is obligatory on every single Muslim to perform like praying or fasting. The responsibility falls on the individual.

Fardh kifaya is the thing that is obligatory on Muslims as a community. The responsibility falls on the group, but if there are sufficient individuals within the group that fulfill the duty then the group's responsibility as a whole is met. But if there is insufficient individuals within the group, then the whole group is at fault, at sin, and so on. It relates to things that have a group responsibility like military jihad, establishing a welfare system, and so on.

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

But I DID take the shahadah with you. Make sure you tell em that before they get the wrong ideas.

hahha.

Checkmate!

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

What is a kaffayah? And what exactly is fulfilling a kaffayah? Your pipe dream about controlling all the oil?

Fardh Kaffayah is a term in fiqh that refers to a communal obligation. There's consensus of the fuqaha that the establishment of a Khalifah is a fardh kaffayah.

Also, mocking me is one thing, but don't mock the deen. A fardh is a fardh.

[oFoShOuKnO]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Another reason why Muslims need an Islamic state.

wasn't that supposed to be Pakistan?

Muslims are not ready for an Islamic state, because whatever we put our hands on it self-destructs.

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by oFoShOuKnO

wasn't that supposed to be Pakistan?

Muslims are not ready for an Islamic state, because whatever we put our hands on it self-destructs.

By Islamic state, I mean a hegemonic force.

Its not whether we're ready but whether we need it or not. The conditions we find ourselves in demand it.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by oFoShOuKnO

wasn't that supposed to be Pakistan?

Muslims are not ready for an Islamic state, because whatever we put our hands on it self-destructs.

Pakistan has its problems, no doubt about it. Very poor leadership heavily influenced by Western hegemonic interest, and an impoverished, largely illiterate population. But on the other hand it is one of the most powerful countries in the world. Not a superpower by any means, but I think it has the potential for playing a much more pivotal role, both in the Muslim world, and the world as a whole.

[amal512]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Ummm, he's my right hand captive that I got for winning a flame war against the apostates.

Hellooooo. Get with the program!

okayyyyyyy.. whatever that means..

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Also, mocking me is one thing, but don't mock the deen. A fardh is a fardh.

the hell are you talking about I was not mocking Islam at all?? What do your pipe dreams about owning the world have to do with establishing a community?

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

Pakistan has its problems, no doubt about it. Very poor leadership heavily influenced by Western hegemonic interest, and an impoverished, largely illiterate population. But on the other hand it is one of the most powerful countries in the world. Not a superpower by any means, but I think it has the potential for playing a much more pivotal role, both in the Muslim world, and the world as a whole.

Pakistan's usually described as a regional power. Although it's heavily checked by surrounding geo-politics.

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

I'm curious why you have this mentality. What events or reading of history lead you to this conclusion? Or is this something that Western pundits preach and you've just accepted it?

ok, i doubt i'll get a chance to ask you the questions on chat anytime soon

let me just throw down my thought pattern, see what you can do with it

- I'm against muslims attacking the western way of life(keep in mind that the west also struggles with hyperliberation). And i'm against that because I dont like the fact that the west is destroying the muslim civilization. I dont wanna do to them what I dont want them doing to me. I wanna defend me but I dont wanna destroy them.

- "Islamic hegemony" to me sounds like an insidious plan to recruit all muslims of the world to sacrifice themselves to defend the muslims that are in direct conflict with the west-i.e arabs, pakistan, afghanistan, iran, some africans. So why should nations that are helped by the west - turks, balkans etc, and nations that have no direct conflict with the west - malaysia etc, sacrifice their interests for the sake of those nations who hardly care about them. And why should these nations sacrifice their interests for nations that have sold out their own people and nations that cant even unite among themselves.

- This also includes the "American muslim community" i.e the uncles of cair/isna etc. No matter how phony their patriotism sounds, they reserve the right to live a productive material life in this country. So why they should they use deceptive dawah techniques to sacrifice their interest for the sake of hegemony of those same nations - arab/paki/afghan/iran etc.

- the uncle system is eventually gonna go, but now there are real american muslims that are coming on the scene. People like Jeffrey Lang, Dr. Umar, Michael Wolfe...white americans...REAL americans. They reserve the right to be western, and they reserve the right not to compromise their westerness for the sake of the hegemony of arab/paki/afghan/iran muslims.

- So I think, you gotta let them be. You gotta leave them alone and let them do as they please.

- I myself am not American. I'm a pakistani fob, so my loyalties actually do lie with middle eastern, central/south asian muslims. But I have to recognize the right of American muslims to be American simply because the desis reserve their rights to be desi, arabs reserve their rights to be arab and iranians reserve theirs and africans reserve theirs etc.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

i would be the last person to prefer westernization of muslims

i just dont have much confidence in my people

We're not *your* people.

Originally Posted by amal512

It would be nearly impossible for Muslims to take revenge or to take significant action against something that has become somewhat of a norm in Gujarat. Muslims are a minority—12%, compared to the 82% of Hindus. There must be some sort of way to receive justice…some other way to live life.

hahahaha... 313

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

- the uncle system is eventually gonna go, but now there are real american muslims that are coming on the scene. People like Jeffrey Lang, Dr. Umar, Michael Wolfe...white americans...REAL americans. They reserve the right to be western, and they reserve the right not to compromise their westerness for the sake of the hegemony of arab/paki/afghan/iran muslims.

I've seen this thought pattern before somewhere...Oh wait it was that bloke in 'It ain't half hot mum'..you're nothing but a racist with an inferiority complex

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

I've seen this thought pattern before somewhere...Oh wait it was that bloke in 'It ain't half hot mum'..you're nothing but a racist with an inferiority complex

i'm racist because i respect the right of blacks to be blacks, whites to be whites and arabs to be arabs?

i dont understand

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

i'm racist because i respect the right of blacks to be blacks, whites to be whites and arabs to be arabs?

i dont understand

Thats right you don't understand. Stand up and walk you low life, stop bowing and scraping...What is wrong with you ?! Have you no self-respect ?!!!

READ WHAT YOU WROTE

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

- the uncle system is eventually gonna go, but now there are real american muslims that are coming on the scene. People like Jeffrey Lang, Dr. Umar, Michael Wolfe...white americans...REAL americans. They reserve the right to be western, and they reserve the right not to compromise their westerness for the sake of the hegemony of arab/paki/afghan/iran muslims.

You make me

People like me fight every day for the rights of ethnic minorities to dignity and respect and 'mai-baaps' like you are so masochistic you make me sick. How dare you claim that we are 'your people'.

Go on a self esteem course