[jinnzaman]

Another reason why Muslims need an Islamic state.

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Another reason why Muslims need an Islamic state.

no dude

people are gonna kill each other regardless of hindu state muslim state or secular state

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

no dude

people are gonna kill each other regardless of hindu state muslim state or secular state

You're telling me if there was an Islamic state that spanned from Morocco to Malaysia, had the majority of the world's oil supplies and a strong military, that people would screw around with Muslims?

The rape and genocide that we are witnessing would not be possible if it wasn't for the vacuum of power within the Muslim world.

The Ottoman Empire sent forces throughout the world whenever Muslims were being oppressed. They sent forces to Algeria, Egypt, East Africa, Arabia, Gujerat, and even as far off as Indonesia to combat colonialism.

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

You're telling me if there was an Islamic state that spanned from Morocco to Malaysia, had the majority of the world's oil supplies and a strong military, that people would screw around with Muslims?

The rape and genocide that we are witnessing would not be possible if it wasn't for the vacuum of power within the Muslim world.

The Ottoman Empire sent forces throughout the world whenever Muslims were being oppressed. They sent forces to Algeria, Egypt, East Africa, Arabia, Gujerat, and even as far off as Indonesia to combat colonialism.

no one would screw around with muslims if we're powerful, but i'm saying that if outsiders are not killing us, then we'll be killing each other

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

no one would screw around with muslims if we're powerful, but i'm saying that if outsiders are not killing us, then we'll be killing each other

Muslims would be fighting for power and wealth, which is true. But I doubt that they would have engaged in the genocidal tactics used by Serbia, the overwhelming death and destruction committed by the US government in Iraq and Afghanistan, the constant terror being inflicted against the Palestinians, or gang-raping and burning Muslim women to death in India.

Why are you so content with letting non-Muslims run the affairs of Muslims? Authority and power of Muslim lands should belong to Muslims, no? Or have you adopted the colonized mentality that Western imperialism is beneficial for Muslims because we Muslims in the West live comfortable lives?

[oFoShOuKnO]

Modi is a war criminal.

Gujarat is the most communal and volatile state in India because of his pogroms against Muslims. Modi is a borderline lunatic. He has studied the adaab of the Islamic family. He knows the high value of chastity in Islam(especially for women). This is why there was a systematic targeting of Muslim women in Gujarat. This occurred in Bosnia as well to an even more extreme event where Muslim sisters were raped and held captive for extended periods of time(so it was too late to perform an abortion) and forced to conceive children for the Orthodox Christian Serbs in order to humiliate Muslim women by making them "give birth to an enemy's child".

La haula la quata illa billah.

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Muslims would be fighting for power and wealth, which is true. But I doubt that they would have engaged in the genocidal tactics used by Serbia, the overwhelming death and destruction committed by the US government in Iraq and Afghanistan, the constant terror being inflicted against the Palestinians, or gang-raping and burning Muslim women to death in India.

Why are you so content with letting non-Muslims run the affairs of Muslims? Authority and power of Muslim lands should belong to Muslims, no? Or have you adopted the colonized mentality that Western imperialism is beneficial for Muslims because we Muslims in the West live comfortable lives?

i would be the last person to prefer westernization of muslims

i just dont have much confidence in my people

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

i would be the last person to prefer westernization of muslims

i just dont have much confidence in my people

I'm curious why you have this mentality. What events or reading of history lead you to this conclusion? Or is this something that Western pundits preach and you've just accepted it?

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

I'm curious why you have this mentality. What events or reading of history lead you to this conclusion? Or is this something that Western pundits preach and you've just accepted it?

i dont know where to start, lets talk about it later inshallah, i'll IM you

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

i dont know where to start, lets talk about it later inshallah, i'll IM you

Jinnz has alot of pipe dreams, I guess there is nothing wrong with being optimistic right?

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

Jinnz has alot of pipe dreams, I guess there is nothing wrong with being optimistic right?

Its not a pipe dream. Its the fulfillment of a fardh kaffayah.

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

i dont know where to start, lets talk about it later inshallah, i'll IM you

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Laimuun

never thought this would happen, but I'm with rambo on this one.

What would that revenge look like? Would Muslims be let in to investigate, find and kill only those responsible? Or would it manifest itself as an invasion of helicopter bourne Muslim troops launched with air cover to be unleashed on the region?

We've seen how that kind of thing goes over already...

[amal512]

It would be nearly impossible for Muslims to take revenge or to take significant action against something that has become somewhat of a norm in Gujarat. Muslims are a minority—12%, compared to the 82% of Hindus. There must be some sort of way to receive justice…some other way to live life.

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by amal512

It would be nearly impossible for Muslims to take revenge or to take significant action against something that has become somewhat of a norm in Gujarat. Muslims are a minority—12%, compared to the 82% of Hindus. There must be some sort of way to receive justice…some other way to live life.

yea but babe,

muslims in india are not the pathetic helpless minority, indian muslims have excelled in a lot of things, and those who migrated are still subject to persecution by fellow muslims