[AmroodWaala]

Dutch MP's anti-Islam film gets barbs, cheers on YouTube - Yahoo News
by Glenn Chapman

SAN FRANCISCO (AFP) - Snippets of an Islam-bashing film by Dutch far-right MP Geert Wilders were causing a stir Thursday on YouTube, where they triggered cheers and barbs among thousands of viewers.

Wilders made good his pledge to post a controversial film critical of Islam on the Internet and the video quickly spread from British video-sharing website LiveLeak.com - Redefining the Media to globally popular YouTube.

The Wilders film, titled "Fitna," features violent imagery of terrorist attacks in New York and Madrid intertwined with Koranic texts.

Clips showed the 17-minute movie opening with images of a Koran and the text of a sura from Islam's holiest tome, which translated from Arabic implores the faithful to "terrorize the enemies of Allah."

YouTube link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9xK5C3i8WgU&feature=related

full movie: LiveLeak.com - Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film about the Quran (English)

Wilders released the movie on March 27, 2008 on the video website Liveleak. The Dutch version of the movie received 1.6 million pageviews in 2 hours. The English version over 1.2 million in 5 hours.
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[YOUSUFofSD]

yea it was only a matter of time...

not going to watch it as it will just get my blood boiling...

[Haramoobobi]

yeah.. i was just waiting for this to happen...

Allah-u-Akhbar

[AmroodWaala]

Originally Posted by YOUSUFofSD

yea it was only a matter of time...

not going to watch it as it will just get my blood boiling...

it's bunch of clips put together to stir anger and hatred

how does one refute it?

At this stage, I don't think it should be ignored esp. when the mainstream press is helping to spread the message.

edit: i think a response should be sent to the op/eds of mainstream press

[Haramoobobi]

Soo, you want us to cause a fuss and give it more attention? Worked well with the book Satanic Verses didn't it?

The worst thing we can do is ignore it and pretend it's an insult to our intelligence to even consider it a threat to Islam [and Allah (swt) will take care of His perfect religion]. Our jihad in these times are different... swords don't do it these days [or guns for that manner]--unless we're being physically attacked first. Such was the way of the Prophet (s) even in battle to let the enemy take the first strike.

I not saying this from a docel nature or from some 'womanly' gentle nature either. I am saying this from a fit of rage ready to kick @$$... but you know what?


"How shall one take vengeance on an enemy? By increasing one's own good qualities."--Ibn Gabirol (1021-c. 1058) 'Choice of Pearls'.

But if you want to give him want he wants--then sure--go. ahead.

Cause a fuss so you can go back to your easily lives so when people ask about the inactivity of the ummah you can shrug your shoulders and say you did your part. Instead of utilizing the the greatest potential of the ummah and the greatest weapon: the mind. Publish, paint, write--not in attacking him but supporting the people that support Islam.

Give THEM publicity.

[Haramoobobi]

Also, you know what? Our beloved ummah seems to be going through this craze post 9-11 with these "quick fixes". Don't mistaken me: lobby groups, press, etc is all good for the Ummah but where are our priorities? How long will that TV special last? How many people will see that speech? I tell you the investment is in our youth, who go out into the world and teach by example*. And show and demonstrate the Islamic religious and educational background they were raised with that reinforces their identity and character.

When Isabella and Ferdinand took over Muslim Spain and attempted to covert the Muslims, Muslim took everything. They pretended conversion . They attended mass. The Spanish custom of hanging pig outside of your door came from this period so the neighborhood and officials knew you ate pig . Muslims would even drink wine. And on Fridays doors to their houses would be open to prove they weren't praying jummah. But still in secret they taught their children Islam.

However, do you know what brought the Muslims to exodus? It was when the inquisition started taking away children--away from their Muslim families and education.

It's a long term solution but it's worth it.

*[Which by studies show visual and audio are 95% effective--compared to simply read which is effective by only 10% and so on and so forth.]

and now my posts are too somber and un-haramoobobi-ish and I must lighten the mood from my drowning on ranting
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[YOUSUFofSD]

yea i agree sis, you should know what is going on,
but to actually try to make sense and substantiate
these insane filmmakers and writers...

Interesting stuff on old Spain, didn't know that at all.

But yea investing in our children's Islamic knowledge is key.

I don't know, I guess some people don't mind/like watching
that kind of stuff, to each his own.

[kellyjaz]

Ahh Assalamu Alaikum wr wb.

Interesting Film, innit.
Carry on with your lives please.

[Jamroll]

Just watched it. The film is stupid.

It takes random verses from the Qur'an (out of context, as per usual) and then plays the after effects of terrorist attacks, and speeches and marches by extremists, all the while playing some music in the background, apparently trying to make a link between the Qur'an and terrorist attacks.

It's lame, and I don't think it really makes any credible arguments.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

Just watched it. The film is stupid.

It takes random verses from the Qur'an (out of context, as per usual) and then plays the after effects of terrorist attacks, and speeches and marches by extremists, all the while playing some music in the background, apparently trying to make a link between the Qur'an and terrorist attacks.

It's lame, and I don't think it really makes any credible arguments.

Indeed, but the point of the film isn't credibility, but propaganda, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

A proper response would be a film, debunking their propaganda. It wouldn't be that difficult either, since they're basically rehashing old material that's already been debunked beforehand.

[kamuzrana]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

Just watched it. The film is stupid.

It takes random verses from the Qur'an (out of context, as per usual) and then plays the after effects of terrorist attacks, and speeches and marches by extremists, all the while playing some music in the background, apparently trying to make a link between the Qur'an and terrorist attacks.

It's lame, and I don't think it really makes any credible arguments.

yeah. i agree. stupid. and you know they only ever use the same extremist clips over and over. Glen Beck, this guy, Fox news, all use the same clips. Makes you wonder. I mean if all us Muslims are extremist neo-Nazi type freedom haters, why don't we have more extremist clips that these filmmakers can sample?

bah.

[the_only_one]

these are lame games to deviate our main priorities as muslims...we do have the right to answer them back, than what would happen instead? its equally probable that they'll get the same attention..then we will be where we started, at point zero!

[AmroodWaala]

Originally Posted by Haramoobobi

Soo, you want us to cause a fuss and give it more attention? Worked well with the book Satanic Verses didn't it?


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No, what I've said is that there should be a written response...perhaps one outlining the propaganda tactics being employed, pointing out the intended audiences, making a comparison from the past victims, possible negative outcomes of such films in a multicultural society, etc.


There is already fuss about it. The story is being covered in the press and this is something that is not going to go away. When this dies down, there will another film and so on... ignoring the issue is not the best option.

[AmroodWaala]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

Indeed, but the point of the film isn't credibility, but propaganda, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

agree
......

[sally]

okay i'm annoyed.