[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

To be fair, and to stand up for my bro, Six Pak is a huge beast of a man...plus, wrestling experience doesn't teach a person how to fight...wrestling is pretty much useless in a real fight...Six Pak has gotten in a lot of real fights and done some real damage to some unfortunate fellas....I certainly wouldn't mess with him...

Anyways, I'd be more than happy to officiate a fight between the two of you.

my gaydar is pinging....

I could take you both anyway. What with the high pitched nagging, and two large sticks, I'll have you guys taking out my garbage, and washing my car in no time.

[bravotwozero]

Originally Posted by Variable

This is the dumbest, machismo-esque, racist argument I've ever seen on Islamica. And that's saying a lot.

I second that.

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by bravotwozero

I second that.

Third........

[Good_ol_JR]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

wrestling experience doesn't teach a person how to fight...wrestling is pretty much useless in a real fight...

That is indeed a hefty statement to make, I'm assuming you have been in several fights against elite wrestlers in order to make such a statement. I am sure the countless number of Mixed Martial Arts Champions and first rate contenders who come from a wrestling backgrounds would beg to differ. It is literally impossible to compete nowadays without wrestling experience. Some of these men even had the distinction of representing Cal-Poly in the legendary Division 1 NCAA Pac-10 tournaments. They have gone on to find success in the Abu Dhabi Invitational Submission Wrestling tourney and in the UFC, PRIDE, Elite XC, WEC, etc

But assuming as you're a man of honor, I must advise you that it would not be very wise of you to make that statement without proving it. Now I might propose that you find a respectable young man with a wrestling background who can be up to 20 lbs lighter than you and challenge him for a friendly exhibition. However, if you choose not to I can only ask that you not slander one of the most historical displays of athletic prowess. Wrestling has proved time and time again to be a most valuable art amongst manking, throughout history men and women all over the world have engaged in this noble tradition even our Nabi SAW and his Sahaba RA often engaged in it.

Check out the Hadith narrating Muhammad SAW 3 pin fall victories over Rukannah, the D-1 NCAA Champion of the Arabian Peninsula during that time. These losses humbled him and led to him becoming Muslim. There are other narrations that indicate it was a popular practice amongst the Sahabah. Great Catch Wrestlers such as Gama, Imam Bux, Stan Zybysko, Bruno Samartino, Frank Gotch, etc would also take great exception to your hefty statement. As would the Luchadores of Mexico. Wrestling has been taught to men for self-defense since the beginning of time, all militaries were trained in it. Even the great Pugilists of the 20th Century such as Jack Dempsey, James Jeffries, Sam Langford, Gene Tunney, etc cross-trained in wrestling to supplement their pugilistic supremacy. I can post an entire thread in the Sports section if you desire.

So please sir I must advise you to not get entangled with such a hefty statement because many would want you to eat your words and I am personally horrified (well not really) at the repercussions you may endure as a result

I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with you.

I agree the contest is off, it would not only be an insult to us but it would also induce great envy amongst some of the male spectators.

This is the dumbest, machismo-esque, racist argument I've ever seen on Islamica. And that's saying a lot.

I find this statement most outrageous, has the Ummah become so metrosexual that it is now considered "macho" to simply engage in polite banter regarding honorable forms of athletic competition. By golly it is a shame that you have been accustomed to this barbaric age of "I'll sue you" as opposed to the chivalrous days of old where a friendly exhibition was all that was needed to mend fences.

racist? I'm sorry but for some reason that term totally diminishes from my vocabulary the second I arrive in Islamica. It's just that we see the word flung around so often it's value has totally depreciated and it no longer bears any meaning.

[Aryan_]

Originally Posted by Variable

racist

Easily the most overused word on islamica. Pretty hypocritical considering it came from someone who made a topic agreeing blacks had bigger wangs or were better dancers, well one of the two. I cant remember.

Originally Posted by Hanbali

plus, wrestling experience doesn't teach a person how to fight...wrestling is pretty much useless in a real fight...

Wrestling is probably the closest (the real time-honoured tradition, not the homoerotic American spandex versiion) you can get to a fight without having one. The best wrestlers made the best fighters on the battlefield.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

I find this statement most outrageous, has the Ummah become so metrosexual that it is now considered "macho" to simply engage in polite banter regarding honorable forms of athletic competition. By golly it is a shame that you have been accustomed to this barbaric age of "I'll sue you" as opposed to the chivalrous days of old where a friendly exhibition was all that was needed to mend fences.

Word. Co-sign on that..

Anyway, in regards to wrestling, I appreciate the science behind it & effectiveness of it as a combat sport, but it just never interested me much. The wrestling of the Prophet (SAW)'s time was totally different - they stood and tried to throw each other to the ground (which had practical application on the battlefield).

You can't deny that modern combat wrestling looks uber-gay (though I know when you're fighting someone, such concerns are probably the last thing on your mind)..

[zeyneddine]

Originally Posted by Aryan_

Yes...when it comes to size we're just behind the blacks.

Absolutely, every girl goes when with me.

[Good_ol_JR]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Word. Co-sign on that..

Anyway, in regards to wrestling, I appreciate the science behind it & effectiveness of it as a combat sport, but it just never interested me much. The wrestling of the Prophet (SAW)'s time was totally different - they stood and tried to throw each other to the ground (which had practical application on the battlefield).

You can't deny that modern combat wrestling looks uber-gay (though I know when you're fighting someone, such concerns are probably the last thing on your mind)..

It is important for us to understand that in these trying times it is not the norm to have access to a weapon to finish a vermin off after he attacks you. That being the case, throwing somebody to the ground is only winning half the battle; to subdue a foe it is a must to have experience in submission grappling so as to be able to control that person once you have him on the ground. That means anything from chokes, locks, or to make it quick just mount the dude so he can't turn you over and finish him off with a fury of punches and elbow.

Of course this is assuming your opponent is an honorable human being who will fight you one-on-one without the assistance of his fellow acquaintances. If the latter is the case it is best to have your own set of acquaintances to even the score. It is best not to fight when outnumbered, but if you have no choice it would be best to follow the example of this dude and rely on striking boxing or muay thai style. http://youtube.com/watch?v=paCZAxchmjU


Btw how dare you use that demeaning photo of the great Mauricio Shogun Rua and the axe murderer Wanderlei Silva. The Chute Boxe Academy would be infuriated. Also if you find grappling around with dudes to be homo-erotic simply join a mixed gender class and tell your instuctor of your fear and I'm sure he will be understanding and allow you to roll with the female students. It's really no big deal

[Rambo]

yes pakistanis are overall much stronger then indians, pashtuns and baluchis are known for their power and physical strength, even kashmiries and punjabis are very strong, sindhis and mohjirs i am not too sure about because i have never lived in karachi. In India i would say only indian sikh punjabis are strong, other then that most of indians are so weak, dont even get me started on how weak bengalis and south indians are.

[freedomlover]

That's weird considering Pakistan and India used to be one country.

[Aryan_]

Originally Posted by freedomlover

That's weird considering Pakistan and India used to be one country.

Israel and Palestine used to be one country too....so did Iraq

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by freedomlover

That's weird considering Pakistan and India used to be one country.

lol so if a country is carved out by making borders that means all the people living in it become the same? even in india sikh punjabis are so different from south indians, sikhs are much more powerful then most other indians, and pakistanis overall are much more stronger then your average indian

[Hanbali]

Good Ol Jr -- I was only talking about the wrestling that I seen people do at my gym in high school.

And I was not demeaning wrestling. I merely said that it would not be very relevant in a real fight. I did martial arts for a good seven years, but I picked a martial art that is effectively useless in a real fight. This doesn't mean that I am demeaning the sport. I am just saying that it has little applicability to a real fight. Doesn't mean it's gay or a stupid sport. Please note the difference.

But maybe you are right. You seem to know a lot about UFC and MMA. Not claiming to know more than you on this topic.

As for Brazilian jiu jitsu and grappling in general, then that is of course super important in a fight. I've always thought that the best combination is Mui Thai crossed with BJJ along with some boxing experience.

Anyways, I was into this stuff long long long time ago, but now I don't remember anything any more. If I said something heretical or blasphemous to you about wrestling (as you seem horribly offended), then I will do sincere tawbah and repent throughout the night.

Carry on. Just please don't beat up anyone in this thread.

[freedomlover]

Yep Jews and Arabs are from the same father.
Anyway "Israel" today has Jews from all around the world, mainly Russian gypsies who hardly have any connection to the land.
I can't see many major differences between Indians and Pakistani's except indians tend to be really petite and weaklings LOL.
Probably cause they don't eat any meat and worship cows

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by freedomlover

Yep Jews and Arabs are from the same father.
Anyway "Israel" today has Jews from all around the world, mainly Russian gypsies who hardly have any connection to the land.
I can't see many major differences between Indians and Pakistani's except indians tend to be really petite and weaklings LOL.
Probably cause they don't eat any meat and worship cows

i have seen the more south you go in India people get weaker and shorter, the people in south india are very weak even if they eat meat. Pakistanis have a lot of afghan genes thats why they tend to be stronger