[TrentReznor858]

Yet more proof of the hypocrisy that is prevalent in the middle eastern world. Brutally kill your own daughter for being with someone you dont approve, then head to the brothel for sexual relations with a hooker. Isnt the world such a great place?

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

Yet more proof of the hypocrisy that is prevalent in the middle eastern world. Brutally kill your own daughter for being with someone you dont approve, then head to the brothel for sexual relations with a hooker. Isnt the world such a great place?

Pakistan is not located in the Middle East, learn some geography. I wonder, why all rafidis see everything bad in the Middle East, probably they don't realize that muta is zina.

[A_Muminah]

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

You are missing some critical part about the culture in NWFP. This is a society where if women are allowed to go to school at all, education stops around age 16, becuase after that they are supposed to be preparing for marriage. HOw do you prepare for marriage? By learning how to cook, clean, simple medicine, and learning household management skills. This is no small task. In the United States there is a whole 4 year University degree to teach these skills, called Home and Family Consumer Sciences.

Im not missing any critical part of any of the culture in the NFWP. Im pretty familiar with their culture.
I realize all that you are trying to say. The US complicates everything, please dont talk to me about some 4 year BS degree in this field of sciences. The life in US is TOTALLY different from the life there and if you claim to know the culture of NFWP, you should know that too.

Why are they denied education? Because their parents are afraid of them being corrupted, and there is a strong feeling that since a womans place is in the home, why does the family, who are already impoverished, need to send their daughters to school.

Perhaps some families do feel the same but I doubt it was a large percentage because nowadays everyone looks at education as an important part of life. Yes, the woman's place is at home but since when does it mean that they should not be educated? But if, the family lives in poverty, do you think it would be possible for a family to send their daughter to school or provide food? That is why such madrassahs were great for these poor families because they were either orphans or lived in poverty. They came to a place that provided them food, clothing, healthcare, a place to sleep as well as an education...not only in the deen BUT also...the sciences, maths, history and even learning arabic.

Also, schools expose them to different things, and there is a strong feeling that an educated girls is a "liberal" girl, and education will cause her to do all kinds of things. Better to keep them home and teach them at home.

Well, if the school is known for its Islamic tarbiyah, why would be liberal?

This mentality sort of died out 25 years ago.
I come from one of the most conservative families, even in Qandahar. My father, alHumdu-Lillaah, is known for his strictness and yes, my eldest sister was taught at home because during that time, it was uncommon for families to send their daughters out to school after a certain age. Yet, education was never forbidden for her simply because she HAD to prepare for marriage even though she did wed when she was pretty young.

THey shouldn't send their daughter all the way to Islamabad in the trust of some strange man. Islamabad is a relatively sinful city. WHy would you want to expose your daughter to that? Women in NWFP live a very restricted protected sheltered life, and that is true no matter if you are highly educated and live in Peshawar, or if you live in a village.

Islamabad is a city full of many contradictions, I am aware of it. Yet, if there is a school that is known for its Islamic teachings and ways is there...why should it prevent one from going there? It is not like these girls walk about the streets selling themselves. They are not those type of girls. They are full niqaabis and I doubt they even came out of the madrassah without a proper chaperone. These girls were fully dedicated to their deen and if their parents worried about them being influenced by the bad in Islamabad, I think they would know not to send them to such a city.

I don't know if you've ever been there, or known anyone from there, but the atmosphere is not conducive to women in public places.

Yes Yes.

In reading the reports about this situation... there were parents who were begging their children to come out, especially their daughters. It was reported that their daughters refused. Since when does Islam teach us to disobey our parents, especially when our parents want something that is good for us? Is that what they were teaching in this Madrassah?

A lot of the girls came out when they heard their parents or relatives had arrived to pick them up but many of the kids and girls there were orphans or came from poor families, they did not have anywhere to go. They would have rather stayed in the madrassah to the end.

My husband is from NWFP, his sisters were not allowed to go out of their city to study medicine. HOw come parents that are more conservative, to the point that their daughters only go to Madrassah, are allowed to go to Islamabad when there are plenty of local options? It's a valid question. It is a conservative society. I hate to break it to you, but that's the truth.

Thats your husband's sisters problem. You cannot relate it to every other family in the NFWP. These girls fully cover yourself and want to seek the please of Allaah by wanting to study His deen. Their parents allowed them, I hope your sister-in-laws get to study what they wish as well...but every situation is unique in itself. Allaahu 'Alaam

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah

[A_Muminah]

As-Salaamu 'ALaykum,



Students Rally to Reopen Red Mosque



ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Sept 7--Hundreds of protesters, most of them young students, marched to the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) of the Pakistani capital on Friday in a bid to offer prayers there.


The protesters were stopped by hundreds of security personnel who had erected barbed wire barriers around the mosque. The mosque has been closed to the public for over a month.

Pakistani security forces stormed the Red Mosque compound on July 10 following a week-long siege, after supporters of clerics there refused to surrender.

The government said 102 people were killed in the assault on the compound, the base for a Taliban-style movement.

After the battle the authorities closed off the bullet-riddled and explosion-scorched complex and renovated it before formally reopening it for Friday prayers a week after the raid.

But the government's plans for the resumption of religious activities at the mosque complex were spoiled by hundreds of protesters who stormed out of the mosque after prayers, throwing rocks at police and uprooting signboards on the roadside.

Police had to resort to firing tear gas to disperse the protesters. The mosque was closed indefinitely.

On Friday the enraged protesters demanded the mosque be opened before Ramadan, which begins next week.

"If they do not open the mosque, we will go to the Supreme Court and stage a sit-in. We are sure that (God willing) the Chief Justice will give us a positive response," said a student.

"Al-Jihad! Al-Jihad!" (Holy war) chanted the crowd.

Prevented from entering the mosque compound, the protesters offered Friday prayers in an open plot near the mosque under the watchful eyes of security personnel.

Source

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah

[ChotooMotoo]

They shouldn't re-open the Mosque. They should completely demolish it, and build a new one with propper permits. There is a good chance that the Mosque is not structurally sound after everything that went on there. Just think, if there was an earthquake and the Mosque collapsed, everyone would blame the government for re-opeing the Mosque.

[A_Muminah]

Govt, Maulana Abdul Aziz agree on opening Lal Masjid
Wednesday September 12, 2007 (2140 PST)

ISLAMABAD: Federal government, Maulana Abdul Aziz and Pakistan Ulema Council have agreed to open Lal Masjid and a formal announcement will be made within a few days in this regard.

Well placed sources told Online Wednesday an important meeting was held between Maulana Abdul Aziz and chairman Pakistan Ulema Council Hafiz Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi and the former has shown willingness to appointment of prayer leader in Lal Masjid on temporary basis.

Federal government is likely to open Lal Masjid within a few days and interior ministry will make formal announcement in this respect.

Source

[giant24us]

Why should one be prevented from learning the Haqq?

Because extremists (such as in the Taliban) usually lock their women up in a shack and don't let them see the light of day.

Why would they not? It isnt a brothrel but a place of learning and the teachers being, the students of 'ilm. The people that seek to please Allaah and not His creation are always trusted.

No it's not, it's a place where they teach you vigilante justice and how to destabilize your country for the benefit of its enemies.

They were learning and gaining knowledge about ISLAM. Islam is not just a religion of saying 'ohhh, I believe in ONE Lord and Prophet Mohammad (saw) as His servent and Messenger'. Its a way of life and the outline of how every person should live their life. If there anything more benefitting than that in 'learning critical life skills', do tell me.

Yeah and if they had any sense they would realize that Islam teaches you to respect the rule of law.

If they had decided to study, 'computer science' or 'business management', what critical life skills would they benefit? They gain so much more in this field of study.

They would develop critical thinking skills that they otherwise would not have. In doing so, they would avoid reckless action such as being extremist terrorists. Islam teaches you to seek not only religious knowledge, but worldly knowledge--there is a really deep reasoning behind that because they go hand in hand. The Prophet PBUH had both in that he had an amazing sense of intellect and analyzing skills.

Rather, they are seeking their Creator's pleasure.

Yeah and by doing so they got a bunch of people killed. Good job.

It is amazing how it is people like yourself who complain about women not being educated in places like NWFP and to rid of ignorance in the areas. Now, when it comes to education and them standing up for their Deen, they will ask for them to stay at home so that they stay in that ignorance.

You have completely misinterpreted and missed the point of what he said. His argument was that conservatives usually keep their women at home and extremists don't want them to go far off for an education. He wasn't telling them what to do, he was just pointing out the mentality that these people have and the conflict this mentality has with the realities with these extremists. This is a major problem with Muslims. They always interpret someone's analysis of a situation with what they actually believe. Step back and see things from an unbiased eye and you will be able to see what he is saying without associating what he says to what he believes.

[A_Muminah]

As-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

Originally Posted by giant24us

Because extremists (such as in the Taliban) usually lock their women up in a shack and don't let them see the light of day.

What did this have to do with anything? Ermm, first response and you're already off the path. Wow, lets read ahead.

No it's not, it's a place where they teach you vigilante justice and how to destabilize your country for the benefit of its enemies.

Would you rather prefer the brothrel? Mr-Smart-One, she asked why anyone would send their daughters to that school. Try reading the full discussion.

Yeah and if they had any sense they would realize that Islam teaches you to respect the rule of law.

Which law? Did you know that Islam also teaches you that if you see injustice and haraam that you should change it?

They would develop critical thinking skills that they otherwise would not have. In doing so, they would avoid reckless action such as being extremist terrorists. Islam teaches you to seek not only religious knowledge, but worldly knowledge--there is a really deep reasoning behind that because they go hand in hand. The Prophet PBUH had both in that he had an amazing sense of intellect and analyzing skills.

Ermm, I guess if you read ahead you would have answered your own question :

Originally Posted by A_Muminah

They came to a place that provided them food, clothing, healthcare, a place to sleep as well as an education...not only in the deen BUT also...the sciences, maths, history and even learning arabic.

Try remembering that these people come from low income families that cannot even afford to send them to the basic school and if a madrassa provides all of the above PLUS religious studies, how could they refuse?

Yeah and by doing so they got a bunch of people killed. Good job.

Who killed people? The Pakistani Punjab Force did. Try correcting your facts, Mister.

You have completely misinterpreted and missed the point of what he said. His argument was that conservatives usually keep their women at home and extremists don't want them to go far off for an education. He wasn't telling them what to do, he was just pointing out the mentality that these people have and the conflict this mentality has with the realities with these extremists. This is a major problem with Muslims. They always interpret someone's analysis of a situation with what they actually believe. Step back and see things from an unbiased eye and you will be able to see what he is saying without associating what he says to what he believes.

Wow, you do not even know what you are talking about. Im surprised you wasted that much energy on something you have no clue. Thanks though. I appreciate your willingness to share your opinion

Have a nice day.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh