[IbnAbdullah]

Well, this is my insight that suicide attacks would be used as deterrance against Jewish terrorists in the Saddam's reign when he allegedly supported Palestinians to carry out martyrdom operations and since the fall of Saddam's Iraq, Israeeli terrorists are once again doing their job so well, the game of blood.

[Salahadeen]

Suicide bombings are wrong everywhere, no matter if it is in Palestine or elsewhere.

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (ra), in his fatwa forbidding suicide bombing, said:

...As for what some people do regarding activities of suicide bombing, tying explosives to themselves and then approaching Unbelievers and detonating them amongst them, then this is a case of suicide and Allah¹s refuge is sought. So whoever commits suicide then he will be consigned eternally to Hell-Fire, remaining there forever, as occurs in the hadeeth of the Prophet.

Because this person has killed himself and has not benefited Islam. So if he kills himself along with ten, or a hundred, or two hundred other people, then Islaam will not benefit by that, since the people will not accept Islam....

Rather it will probably just make the enemy more determined, and this action will provoke malice and bitterness in his heart to such an extent that he may seek to wreak havoc upon the Muslims. This is what is found from the practice of the Jews with the people of Palestine so when one of the Palestinian blows himself up and kills six or seven people, then in retaliation they take sixty or more. So this does not produce any benefit for the Muslims, and does not benefit those amongst whose ranks explosives are detonated.

Those people who perform these suicide bombings have wrongfully committed suicide, and that this necessitates entry into Hell-Fire, and Allah¹s refuge is sought and that this person is not a martyr (shaheed).

(End of the Shaykh's words)

[Variable]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Well, this is my insight that suicide attacks would be used as deterrance against Jewish terrorists in the Saddam's reign when he allegedly supported Palestinians to carry out martyrdom operations and since the fall of Saddam's Iraq, Israeeli terrorists are once again doing their job so well, the game of blood.

That was one very confusing sentence.

[shadha]

Vari: That was one very confusing sentence.

I concur.


shadha-

[Jack_Sparrow]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Well, this is my insight that suicide attacks would be used as deterrance against Jewish terrorists in the Saddam's reign when he allegedly supported Palestinians to carry out martyrdom operations and since the fall of Saddam's Iraq, Israeeli terrorists are once again doing their job so well, the game of blood.

Say, the douchebaggery is strong in this one eh folks?

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Well, this is my insight that suicide attacks would be used as deterrance against Jewish terrorists in the Saddam's reign when he allegedly supported Palestinians to carry out martyrdom operations and since the fall of Saddam's Iraq, Israeeli terrorists are once again doing their job so well, the game of blood.

[Jamroll]

Salam,

I'd just like to remind everyone that praising or supporting the killing of innocent civilians is strictly prohibited on Islamica. Make sure you talk about any kind of military tactic strictly in terms of combatant versus combatant, otherwise you will be taking a long vacation.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

i think the homemade rockets by hamas of isreali military positions are far more effective than bomb attacks of civilians in public places. the isrealis care more about thier military, since its nothing more than a military state, than they do about thier own people. and my post is well within the rules of this website, as stated above by moderator jamroll.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

i think the homemade rockets by hamas of isreali military positions are far more effective than bomb attacks of civilians in public places. the isrealis care more about thier military, since its nothing more than a military state, than they do about thier own people. and my post is well within the rules of this website, as stated above by moderator jamroll.

The thing is, if they hit the military positions with those rockets, it'll be out of luck.

But I'd agree with you that Israel does seem to care more about keeping it's excuses for incursion more than its population. It's almost as though the gov't holds them up saying 'look at the poor population of Sdrot! - see what they do?'

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by Salahadeen

Suicide bombings are wrong everywhere, no matter if it is in Palestine or elsewhere.

regardless of what the fatwas say, the palestinian "terrorism" is nothing compared to what Israel does to palestinians

every force has equal and opposite reaction, but in this case, the reaction is very minimal

palestinian suicide bombers kill a few people here and there while Israel destroys complete villages and towns and totally destroys the infrastructure of palestinian society.

[sixpakistan]

Couple of things about this fatwa..

Originally Posted by Salahadeen

Because this person has killed himself and has not benefited Islam. So if he kills himself along with ten, or a hundred, or two hundred other people, then Islaam will not benefit by that, since the people will not accept Islam....

Rather it will probably just make the enemy more determined, and this action will provoke malice and bitterness in his heart to such an extent that he may seek to wreak havoc upon the Muslims. This is what is found from the practice of the Jews with the people of Palestine so when one of the Palestinian blows himself up and kills six or seven people, then in retaliation they take sixty or more. So this does not produce any benefit for the Muslims, and does not benefit those amongst whose ranks explosives are detonated.

The principles of the above would still apply to conventional battle tactics. So it sounds like it's discouraging jihad, period.

In regards to this

Those people who perform these suicide bombings have wrongfully committed suicide, and that this necessitates entry into Hell-Fire, and Allah¹s refuge is sought and that this person is not a martyr (shaheed).[/indent](End of the Shaykh's words)

I personally still see it as suicide, but there are many shuyukh like Sh. Qaradawi who disagree.. so I don't think one can make conclusive statements about it one way or another. Also, if someone does this with a sincere intention to please Allah SWT, assuming they don't kill any civilians, then I would hope and make dua their actions would be rewarded by their intention ..

[MossadConspiracy]

salam

this is a dead issue.

there has been one suicide bombing in Israel in the last year

there have been many hundreds of suicide bombings in Iraq during that time.

There have been many more suicide bombings in Iraq in the last few years than in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict from beginning to end and the Tamil war combined

Iraq is the home of suicide bombing and that is the subject that scholars should be discussing

ws

[Salahadeen]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

I don't think one can make conclusive statements about it one way or another.

I disagree. Some scholars differ on every issue, so that means you cannot make conclusive statements about anything?

Also, if someone does this with a sincere intention to please Allah SWT, assuming they don't kill any civilians, then I would hope and make dua their actions would be rewarded by their intention ..

Well, Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen did touch upon this point here:

However, one who is ignorant and does not know, and assumes his action was good and pleasing to Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta’aala), then we hope Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta’aala) forgives him for that which he did out of (ignorant) ijtihaad, even though I do not find any excuse for him in the present day. This is because this type of suicide is well known and widespread amongst the people, so it is upon the person to ask the people of knowledge (scholars) regarding it, until the right guidance for him is differentiated from the error.

And from that which is surprising, is that these people kill themselves despite Allaah having fordbidden this, as He (Subhaanahu wa Ta’aala) says:

{And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you}, [Soorah an-Nisaa., Aayah 29].

And many amongst them do not desire anything except revenge of the enemy, by whatever means, be it halaal or haraam. So they only want to satisfy their thirst for revenge.

We ask Allaah to bless us with foresight in His Deen and action(s) which please Him, indeed He is all Powerful over all things.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen
Kayfa Nu’aalij Waaqi’unaa al-Aleem - Page 119

[zzze]

assalamu alaykum

I just love how some people judge the situations of those in Palestine, though they've never been and harldly know of the atrocities. Of course killing civilians is prohibited, there are rules in war. Also, it's very interesting how salafis seem to be against it more than anyone else. Salahedeen- i could use the world you gave me for salafis, but the general population of islamica recognises the word salafi more, i think.

[Variable]

Yeh, suicide bombers aren't really the biggest problem since the wall went up. The only real threat Israel faces right now are missiles. In the very near future they can be defeated by this:

YouTube - MTHEL - Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser

and in the meantime by these:

YouTube - RAM Greatest Hits

They can do it cheaply and effectively... and they can do it right now. It leaves me thinking they just want an excuse to keep things the way they are right now. And to me that's pure evil.