[Salahadeen]

Originally Posted by zzze

assalamu alaykum

I just love how some people judge the situations of those in Palestine, though they've never been and harldly know of the atrocities. Of course killing civilians is prohibited, there are rules in war. Also, it's very interesting how salafis seem to be against it more than anyone else. Salahedeen- i could use the world you gave me for salafis, but the general population of islamica recognises the word salafi more, i think.

Dearest sister,

You said:

I just love how some people judge the situations of those in Palestine, though they've never been and harldly know of the atrocities.

Do you realize that this is the exact mentality we must protect ourselves against? People just want desperately want to make something halal, because of the hurt the Palestinians have gone through, and the anger they feel and the vengeance they want to enact. But dear sister, we canNOT change the laws of Islam just because of our whims and desires. I've always known that some scholars erred on this matter for the VERY REASON that they are too emotionally tied to the situation, so they find some way to make it halal. If you really really really really want to make something halal, then you can easily do that.

I think this is a criminal mentality. I remember once when I got caught lying to my parents, I justified my action by telling my parents that I had no other option because I was scared of getting in trouble. You know, my parents told me something so wise: they said, nobody ever lies EXCEPT to get out of trouble. The thief only steals when he needs to do that.

Nothing can make these things halal. Neither can the desperate situation of the Palestinians make something halal which is haram. No matter how much we want it, or desire it.

Some scholars have even said that suicide bombing is only allowed in Palestine (!!!)...how can something be halal in one place and haram in another place ? Is this not just desperation of a people to make something halal because they really really really want it to be?

It's like a man killing his ex because she cheated on him...sure, that girl 'may deserve it', but murder is not right, no matter what the situation.

As for the position of the Salafi scholars on this matter, then I think this is a matter of pride and honor, namely that the Salafis were forbidding suicide bombing EVEN BEFORE it became popular amongst the Muslims or Palestinians. This shows their unwavering attention to the Shari'ah; they do not follow their whims and desires, nor do they make the haram into the halal as Ahl al-Bidah do.

The Salafis follow the Sunnah, not emotional whims and desires. And in the end, this creates a consistent policy and has a great benefit. Muslims need a zero tolerance policy towards terrorism and that's exactly the attitude the Salafis have towards it. The way the Salafis are fighting terrorism -- the Saudi rehabilitation programs and the like -- are commendable. It's a source of pride for me.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Variable

The thing is, if they hit the military positions with those rockets, it'll be out of luck.

But I'd agree with you that Israel does seem to care more about keeping it's excuses for incursion more than its population. It's almost as though the gov't holds them up saying 'look at the poor population of Sdrot! - see what they do?'

one could even call them human shields. especially with those little colonies they built up all along the west bank of the jordan river.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

one could even call them human shields. especially with those little colonies they built up all along the west bank of the jordan river.

I wouldn't go that far... and Hamas sure isn't aiming at military targets.

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

i think the homemade rockets by hamas of isreali military positions are far more effective than bomb attacks of civilians in public places. the isrealis care more about thier military, since its nothing more than a military state, than they do about thier own people. and my post is well within the rules of this website, as stated above by moderator jamroll.

I'm not praising or supporting suicide bombing, I'm only trying to find out if it's more effective in Israil than anything else for example rocket attacks from Hamas.
I think, Israil or any other terrorist states like the US do care for their civilians more than anything else, with homemade rockets you can't cause more damage to highly advanced Israili military than with suicide bombing you can do. Well, that's only a thought, but you can check the past suicide bombings done in Israil and the damage Israil received from them. Remember, these Jewish terrorists don't attack Palestinians' military facilities, they target innocent children of Palestine. If Jews or Christians are not worrying about religion then why people teach Palestinians what Islam says, why can't they just go and die in shame?

[roberto]

[quote=IbnAbdullah;99701]

I think, Israil or any other terrorist states like the US do care for their civilians more than anything else, with homemade rockets you can't cause more damage to highly advanced Israili military than with suicide bombing you can do.

The use of the word terrorist in the above comment is a matter of opinion, what is of course true, is that Israel and the US do care about their civilians which regrettably appears not to be the case with Hamas

Remember, these Jewish terrorists don't attack Palestinians' military facilities, they target innocent children of Palestine.

Hamas operate within civilian areas, as such civilians will get killed, but they are not the official targets

[Variable]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

If Jews or Christians are not worrying about religion then why people teach Palestinians what Islam says, why can't they just go and die in shame?

Why can't I have a magic carpet to take me to the land of Dairy Queen, with chocolate rivers and banana split forests?