[Salahadeen]

Originally Posted by AliFazel

In Sahih Muslim, the traditions are as follows:
Narrated Jabir Ibn Samura: The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs.” He then whispered a sentence. I asked my father what the Prophet said. He said, the Prophet added: “All of them will be from Quraish. [Book #20, Hadeeth #4477]

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men.” [Book #20, #4478]

The Prophet said: “This religion would continue to remain powerful and dominant until there have been twelve Caliphs.” [Book #20, #4482]

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish.” [Book #20, Hadeeth #4482]

To keep this short I will stop here ------ With One Question

Where are your 12 Imams?

Dear Ali Fazel,

All of these so-called 'many narrations' are actually the same event, i.e. the same singular statement from Jabir Ibn Samura (ra). So you might make it look like the Prophet (s) repeated it a lot of times, but this is not true. Rather, it was said once, and you are just providing the same narration again and again.

Anyways, the answer to your question is here:

Ahlel Bayt » Articles » Hadith of the Twelve Caliphs [A Sunni Perspective]

[shadha]

Vari: Or is it just the fact that they're Shia, and a Shia country could never be an Islamic country, even though they're implementing Islamic law as pretty much anyone else would?

I'm sure a lot of it is that exactly.


shadha-

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Biryani

There were idiots that even called Imam Shafai Rafidhi. Seee signiture..

Originally Posted by Biryani's Signature

Imam Shafi'i: They said, 'You are a Rafidi!', and I said, 'But no, Nor is my religion nor are my beliefs of that kind ...'But if love of the viceregent of God be Rafidism, Then I am the most Rafidi of the servants of God!

Of course, Imam Shafi (RA) also believed the first 3 caliphs to be the viceregents of God. Which would make him distinctly non-Rafidi. Hence his rejection of Rafidhism in the first sentence. The statement quoted merely affirms that Ahl-e-Sunnah rejects Nasibis & loves and reveres Ali (RA).

[Biryani]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Of course, Imam Shafi (RA) also believed the first 3 caliphs to be the viceregents of God. Which would make him distinctly non-Rafidi. Hence his rejection of Rafidhism in the first sentence. The statement quoted merely affirms that Ahl-e-Sunnah rejects Nasibis & loves and reveres Ali (RA).

Is that all he meant? Here I was giving Imam Shafi more credit than he deserved. I thought MAYBE just maybe he understood ad hominem attacks were a logical fallacy. Or perhaps he realized that there is a group of nutcases within the Sunnis that have a strong hate for Ali. Silly me.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Biryani

Is that all he meant? Here I was giving Imam Shafi more credit than he deserved. I thought MAYBE just maybe he understood ad hominem attacks were a logical fallacy. Or perhaps he realized that there is a group of nutcases within the Sunnis that have a strong hate for Ali. Silly me.

I don't see what it has to do with ad hominem attacks. It has to do with being accused of being "Rafidhi" for loving Ali (RA), an idea which he rejects. That doesn't mean that there aren't people who the label "Rafidhi" could appropriately be applied to.

Also, those who hate Ali (RA) are & have always been outside the fold of Ahl-us-Sunnah.. so your last sentence makes no sense.

[Jack_Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Salahadeen

I believe they are good for Shi`as. Not so good for Sunnis.

Right on the nail! I really think, thats the reason they support the shia country of palestinian cause eh.

It must be.

[Salahadeen]

Originally Posted by Jack_Sparrow

Right on the nail! I really think, thats the reason they support the shia country of palestinian cause eh.

First of all, almost every single Muslim country uses Palestine to rally support for their own regimes. Simple statements are not enough. They are nothing but words.

In regards to Palestine issue, the Shi`as wish for Hezbollah to be supreme in the region in order to establish the Shi`a crescent.

[Salahadeen]

Originally Posted by Biryani

Is that all he meant? Here I was giving Imam Shafi more credit than he deserved. I thought MAYBE just maybe he understood ad hominem attacks were a logical fallacy. Or perhaps he realized that there is a group of nutcases within the Sunnis that have a strong hate for Ali. Silly me.

Do you normally use quotes without understanding their meaning? Do you normally misuse quotes in order to convey whatever meaning you want them to convey?