[Salahadeen]

BTW – Saudi are spending hundreds of millions of dollars pumping out wahabi dawah materials – I don’t see you complaining about that --- I don’t see why this should bother you.

I told you not to use the term "wahhabi", or should you like it if I call you Rafidhi?

In any case, of course I don't mind that Saudi Arabia spends millions of dollars to spread Salafi Dawah since I support the Salafi Dawah!

Of course I will oppose Iran spreading Shi`a propaganda everywhere, and that's because I am against Shi`a beliefs.

Very simple.

Through these discussions we learn each others view points -
Its not supposed to be shia-sunni confrontation
My purpose is remove this stupid misunderstanding and this unnecessary hatered.

Can't you see that?

You're purpose is to further your sect. I certainly see that.

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by Salahadeen

I told you not to use the term "wahhabi", or should you like it if I call you Rafidhi?

In any case, of course I don't mind that Saudi Arabia spends millions of dollars to spread Salafi Dawah since I support the Salafi Dawah!

Of course I will oppose Iran spreading Shi`a propaganda everywhere, and that's because I am against Shi`a beliefs.

Very simple.

You're purpose is to further your sect. I certainly see that.

You hate the word Wahabi --- But what you follow the idealogy of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab.
You can not run from this fact.

Wahhabism (Arabic: Al-Wahhābīyya الوهابية) or Wahabism is a conservative 18th century reform movement of Sunni Islam founded by Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, after whom the movement is named.[1] Wahhabism formed the creed upon which the kingdom of Saudi Arabia was founded

Brother, 'You want to see others as evil regardless'.

[Salahadeen]

Originally Posted by AliFazel

You hate the word Wahabi --- But what you follow the idealogy of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab.
.

Whatever you say, you Rafidhi Saba'ite.

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by Salahadeen

Whatever you say, you Rafidhi Saba'ite.

In that case - I say to you, I am on sirat al mustakim - Al-humdu-lilah ---

Allah humma salle ala Muhammad wa ale-muhammad

[Variable]

I guess I was to late with my amazing question... everyone's too wrapped up in their Shia/not-Shia mud slinging fest.

[Biryani]

Originally Posted by Salahadeen

Whatever you say, you Rafidhi Saba'ite.

There were idiots that even called Imam Shafai Rafidhi. Seee signiture..

[AbuAlAbbas]

Al-shafii was not praising the shia's in what he stated. He was simply pointing at the idiocy of those who called him a rafidi because he loved ahl ul bayt. But here is his views on the shia:

Imam Ash-Shafi'i:

"I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi* Shia."

and on another occasion he said;

"Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi* Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion."

would this make al-shafi a 'wahabi'?

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by AliFazel

You hate the word Wahabi --- But what you follow the idealogy of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab.
You can not run from this fact.

lol, this is the last thing shias do after they have been exposed - they call you wahabi, lol, even if you don't have any relation with salafis, this is because shias 'believe' calling someone Wahabi is derogatory for sunnis

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

lol, this is the last thing shias do after they have been exposed - they call you wahabi, lol, even if you don't have any relation with salafis, this is because shias 'believe' calling someone Wahabi is derogatory for sunnis

Strange I did not give up my logical countering of your argument -- But you did.
Yet, you say, "lol, this is the last thing shias do after they have been exposed"

All through this thread and the others show me where you have expose me.



Your words-- "Whatever you say, you Rafidhi Saba'ite. "
My reply --- In that case - I say to you, I am on sirat al mustakim - Al-humdu-lilah ---
Allah humma salle ala Muhammad wa ale-muhammad

ADVICE - NEXT TIME, DONT SAY WHAT YOU DONT MEAN --

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

Al-shafii was not praising the shia's in what he stated. He was simply pointing at the idiocy of those who called him a rafidi because he loved ahl ul bayt. But here is his views on the shia:

Imam Ash-Shafi'i:

"I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi* Shia."

and on another occasion he said;

"Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi* Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion."

would this make al-shafi a 'wahabi'?

AbuAlAbbas : Its OK to quote others WHEN you believe and know they are correct?

Above -You have accused Shias of inventing HADITH - Now prove it.

Accusation without proof is mere rubbish

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by AliFazel

Strange I did not give up my logical countering of your argument -- But you did.
Yet, you say, "lol, this is the last thing shias do after they have been exposed"

All through this thread and the others show me where you have expose me.

Well, you can't prove you do believe in the belief of seal of Prophets because all you do is using the 'name disguise' of Imams otherwise they are your 12 Prophets after Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. One can call his 'wife' his sister, that can't protect her from getting pregnant, innit?

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Well, you can't prove you do believe in the belief of seal of Prophets because all you do is using the 'name disguise' of Imams otherwise they are your 12 Prophets after Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. One can call his 'wife' his sister, that can't protect her from getting pregnant, innit?

We were talking about Iran &- Just Islamic state.
Some how we are discussing Prophet and Imamet -

But I don’t mind.

At least before coming up with such attacks as mentioned in your post - I sincerely wish you would do some home work - however little.

Are you also going to accuse Allah (SWT)

“And when Abraham was tested by his Lord with certain commands and he fulfilled them. Then He said: Lo! I appoint you as an Imam for mankind.”
[2:124]

Remember Ibrahim(A) was a Nabi --- but he is made Imam after the test.
so passing the test earns a different level.

Even before Allah (SWT) the status of Nabi is different from Imam.


And what about these Hadith?

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 9.329 --- Narrated Jabir Ibn Samura: I heard the Prophet saying, “There will be twelve commanders (Amir).” He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, “All of them will be from Quraish.


In Musnad Ahmed ibn Hanbal, the same tradition has been recorded as follows:
“The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “There shall be twelve Caliphs for this community, all of them from Quraish.” [Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p106]


In Sahih Muslim, the traditions are as follows:
Narrated Jabir Ibn Samura: The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs.” He then whispered a sentence. I asked my father what the Prophet said. He said, the Prophet added: “All of them will be from Quraish. [Book #20, Hadeeth #4477]

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men.” [Book #20, #4478]

The Prophet said: “This religion would continue to remain powerful and dominant until there have been twelve Caliphs.” [Book #20, #4482]

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish.” [Book #20, Hadeeth #4482]

To keep this short I will stop here ------ With One Question

Where are your 12 Imams?

[AluQeema]

Iran and Hizbullah have to help people out who can't even help themselves. Hamas leaders have to come running to Hizbullah and Iran for help, while the rest of the Sunni countries bow down to their US masters.

[iceonfire]

It's sad to say to say but compared with the other Muslim countries around the world it's not all too different because think about it man all these countries are the same with corrupt puppets as there leaders so next time you ask this question please try and rephrase the quetion in the manner of which is the best of the worst. Don't get me wrong it sickens me to write this but it's the truth...u gotta take ur head out of the toilet nd face the truth

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by AliFazel

We were talking about Iran &- Just Islamic state.
Some how we are discussing Prophet and Imamet -

But I don’t mind.

lol, just admit you lose here, because you can't prove you believe in the aqeeda of khatm nubuwwat, because you simply don't, you believe in 12 Prophets after Muhammad s.a.w, worse than Qadiyanis.

“There will be twelve commanders (Amir).” He then said a sentence which I did not hear.

The Prophet said: “This religion would continue to remain powerful and dominant until there have been twelve Caliphs.” [Book #20, #4482]

To keep this short I will stop here ------ With One Question

Where are your 12 Imams?

Religion was dominant at the time of Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Muawiya..during the caliphate of Banu Umaiya in particular because Islam spread far and wide during the caliphates of these people who were not in fact the children of Ali r.a, in fact the caliphate of Ali r.a also wasn't good for Islam because it was full of conspiracies of the Jewish sect and their fitnah.
Since your rest of the Imams couldn't become the caliphs or commanders, this hadith can't help you, you should try your own hadiths from the Sahi Kafi.

As for where our 12 Imams are, our Holy Prophet didn't give us their names, he didn't either tell us that it is necessary for everyone to know them by name and believe them, belief of 12 fallible imams as mentioned above is not an article of faith.
Most scholars have included Muawiya radiyallahu anhu to these 12 imams, I'm sure you like it.