[MossadConspiracy]

its a dictatorship run by a bunch of dried up corpses in turbans

i dont know if its an islamic state or not, that isnt really a major question

[Salahadeen]

Originally Posted by AliFazel

Which System is republic in nature with Ulemah as its guardians besides the Islamic republic of Iran?

If you ask the Bahai and Ahmedia – They will say it isn’t Islamic.
To believe in Sahadah according to Sunni and Shia view is to accept Muhammad(SAW) as khatem-un-Nabieen.
This the Bahai and Ahmedia ppl reject.

Actually, Bahais don't claim to be Muslim, and Ahmadis also recite the Shahadah.

Sunnis and Shi`as do not see eye to eye on the Shahadah or the issue of Khatm an-nabuwat. The Sunnis say that the seal of Prophets means that there can be no person after the Prophet (s) who has the rank of Prophethood or Messengership, whereas the Shi`as believe that they can have Imams who are higher in rank.

So we don't see eye to eye on this, dear colleague. This is not an attack on your belief...only showing the difference between Sunnis and Shi`as in regards to the Shahadah and the Khatm an-nabuwat.

IRAN IS THE ONLY THING CLOSE TO ISLAMIC SYSTEM – and the only pure Islamic system, we shall have after this, will inshallah be THE GOVERNMENT OF MAHDI (A.J.)

If I were a Shi`a, then I too would love Iran, no doubt. There can be no doubt that Iran has been extremely beneficial to Shi`as. They have spent hundreds of millions of dollars pumping out Shi`a dawah materials, funding Shi`a movements, and fighting to create a Shi`a crescent.

But we are not Shi`as. We are Sunnis. And for Sunnis, Iran has been nothing but bad news. Yes, the Sunnis of Iran did help with the revolution, but what happened after Khomeini came to power? He jailed the Sunni scholars, banned their organizations, and persecuted even the Sufis...Please visit the Ahle Sunnat Iran website insha-Allah.

So conclusion is: Iran is great for Shi`as, not so great for Sunnis.

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

its a dictatorship run by a bunch of dried up corpses in turbans

i dont know if its an islamic state or not, that isnt really a major question

Should this surprise me?

Even during the times of Prophet (saw) people stood to oppose him.
When people stand to oppose the great personality like him, what chances do I have -

<see Qur'an>

As I said intelligent thinking has no place in our lives.

Because of this attitude we Muslims stand humiliated and defeated -
Future is grim. --- One can see that the kufar shall remain dominent upon us -

And we shall still be singing the tunes, "We are muslims, we stand to serve Allah.

In reality we are disgrace to Islam.
How can the ummah of the great prophet (SAW) be so weak, disunited
and be crushed under the feet of the those who reject Allah?

[MossadConspiracy]

are you drawing a parallel between the tyrannical mummies that run Iran and the Prophet of Allah?

ws

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

its a dictatorship run by a bunch of dried up corpses in turbans

i dont know if its an islamic state or not, that isnt really a major question

I think that just about sums it up.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Well, I personally know them because I have been interacting with them (shias), a few days ago I heard their kids were calling sunnis' kids najis (filthy), a sunni girl got to touch a shia girl while passing by and the shia girl said she became najis because of that touch, another boy told his mates that Parsis are najis (filthy) and if you touch them you become najis too
They (kids) are not so good at taqiyya, they say what they learn from their parents

A male touching a female(and vice versa) breaks ones wudu in Shafi'i fiqh, so the Shi'ite may have a similar fiqhi viewpoint.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by Revert

A male touching a female(and vice versa) breaks ones wudu in Shafi'i fiqh, so the Shi'ite may have a similar fiqhi viewpoint.

He said it was a sunni girl who may have touched a shia girl.

[psychoteddybear]

I am so tired of seeing these Sunni/Shi'a arguments....frankly, I can't really see the difference. We are all Muslims. These petty distinctions are mainly from punks who want to exploit these minor differences and make us turn against one another...

[Revert]

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

He said it was a sunni girl who may have touched a shia girl.

OH i misread that part...

In all likkleyhood the event is made up anyway.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by psychoteddybear

I am so tired of seeing these Sunni/Shi'a arguments....frankly, I can't really see the difference. We are all Muslims. These petty distinctions are mainly from punks who want to exploit these minor differences and make us turn against one another...

I agree with you in a way, however we have to recognise the Historical and fundamental differences and overcome them to unite as one Ummah.

ON a one to one basis, I ahev met and conversed with many awesome Shias (Khairan comes to mind..mashAllah). BUt the doctrinal differneces have to be understood to engage in a general sense. We should understand ourselves and others.

[psychoteddybear]

Originally Posted by Revert

I agree with you in a way, however we have to recognise the Historical and fundamental differences and overcome them to unite as one Ummah.

ON a one to one basis, I ahev met and conversed with many awesome Shias (Khairan comes to mind..mashAllah). BUt the doctrinal differneces have to be understood to engage in a general sense. We should understand ourselves and others.

I think these differences have been discussed to death already...

[Revert]

Originally Posted by psychoteddybear

I think these differences have been discussed to death already...

Maybe on here they ahve, but in our lifetime there needs ot be more done to unite us, bickering on a messageboard doesn't constitute as a disscussion or helping the cause.

This is the problem with the so called Islamic Intellectual Movement, theres a lot of talking or e-talking going on, but no actual progress or work.

[Variable]

So... Iran is corrupt, and authoritarian and all that, but for the everyday life of the average Iranian - do they not implement Islamic law as an Islamic state would?

Islamic morals are held up, and shariah - which seems to me to be very similar to regular shariah in most cases - is enforced, no? How would a true Islamic state differ in terms of the everyday person's view of things?

Or is it just the fact that they're Shia, and a Shia country could never be an Islamic country, even though they're implementing Islamic law as pretty much anyone else would?

[AliFazel]

Originally Posted by Salahadeen

Actually, Bahais don't claim to be Muslim, and Ahmadis also recite the Shahadah.

Do Ahmadis consider prophet (SAW) as the last of the messengers? How does that go with accepting the Sahada in sincerity? The Qur’an brought by prophet (SAW) clearly declares prophet (SAW) as the last of the prophets – To accept Prophet (saw) as in the sahada also means to accept the message – ‘Qur’an’.

Sunnis and Shi`as do not see eye to eye on the Shahadah or the issue of Khatm an-nabuwat. The Sunnis say that the seal of Prophets means that there can be no person after the Prophet (s) who has the rank of Prophethood or Messengership, whereas the Shi`as believe that they can have Imams who are higher in rank.

So we don't see eye to eye on this, dear colleague. This is not an attack on your belief...only showing the difference between Sunnis and Shi`as in regards to the Shahadah and the Khatm an-nabuwat.

SEE – You did not even bother to check the accuracy of your statement – and you would rather oppose us on this inaccurate view.

In reality – According to shias, There is no prophet after Muhammad (SAW) nabuwat ends with prophet (SAW).

Office of Imamet is different -- They are not messengers. <period.>

Imam Ali (A) acquired all the knowledge from Prophet (saw). In fact he was trained by Prophet (SAW) ---What ever we say about Ali (A) prophet was far more then that.
None of the Imam supersede the office of Prophet (SAW). You can go and ask any Shia Ulemah and this is the only answer you will get.

The argument about the imam and Nabi is quiet different.

If you want to know the truth asks the Ulemah --- not the laymen.

If I were a Shi`a, then I too would love Iran, no doubt. There can be no doubt that Iran has been extremely beneficial to Shi`as. They have spent hundreds of millions of dollars pumping out Shi`a dawah materials, funding Shi`a movements, and fighting to create a Shi`a crescent.

LOL – the magic word again - Shi`a crescent.
This was an original scare mongering magic word by the pro-American pawns.
They need to come up with some catchy word to push their sick satanic idea into people’s minds. --- Aren’t there enough Sunni populated countries in the world? Why should the three Shia populated regions bother you?

You said, “If I were a Shi`a, then I too would love Iran, no doubt”. BUT the question is Since you are not Shia why do you hate IRAN? Note - we do not hate any Sunni country. We hate the western pawn ruling these countries just as you do.

BTW – Saudi are spending hundreds of millions of dollars pumping out wahabi dawah materials – I don’t see you complaining about that --- I don’t see why this should bother you.

But we are not Shi`as. We are Sunnis. And for Sunnis, Iran has been nothing but bad news. Yes, the Sunnis of Iran did help with the revolution, but what happened after Khomeini came to power? He jailed the Sunni scholars, banned their organizations, and persecuted even the Sufis...Please visit the Ahle Sunnat Iran website insha-Allah.

So conclusion is: Iran is great for Shi`as, not so great for Sunnis.

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You say, “And for Sunnis, Iran has been nothing but bad news.”

- Has Saudi been a good news for Sunni? – With the pawns ruling saudia, show me one incident where they fired a single bullet at Israel
– And wasn’t Pakistan that fully supported US, in its war on Afghanistan? Was it not Saudi and the Emirates that gave US their bases and land and sea space to launch the attack?
- What about Bosnia which is largely a Sunni country – Did it ever receive weapons from Sunni lands to confront Serbs? Was it not Iran that made deal with Croatia and sent shipment of Arms to Bosnia? <You probably remember one of the shipment was caught and was prevented from reaching the Bosnians> – Go and ask the Bosnians who came to train their fighters to fight the Serbs – Was it not the Irani ex-war veterans?
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Through these discussions we learn each others view points -
Its not supposed to be shia-sunni confrontation
My purpose is remove this stupid misunderstanding and this unnecessary hatered.

Can't you see that?