[PhDGirl]

Originally Posted by Revert

There no Isalmaic states in this world today. There many countries that are Muslim Majority though.

I agree - they are two very different things unfortunately.

[Biryani]

What is your definition of an Islamic state?

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by Biryani

I'd prefer pawns to Russia and China than to being pawns to America and Isreal... then again some may disagree..

Maybe not EVERY Muslim cause as pointed out by the brother, but I think they do a good job for at least some Muslim causes...

China has killed millions of ethnic chineses muslims and china is probably the next global empire

[Abdul_Karim]

Originally Posted by Biryani

I'd prefer pawns to Russia and China than to being pawns to America and Isreal... then again some may disagree..

Maybe not EVERY Muslim cause as pointed out by the brother, but I think they do a good job for at least some Muslim causes...

Russia has fought Islam longer than America or Israel have existed.

[bihari]

Originally Posted by Abdul_Karim

Iran is not an Islamic state at all.

as far as i know, it is more islamic than the other muslim nations

furthermore, regarding issues with sunnis and shias, when the shah was removed by ayatollah khomeini, both sunnis and shias supported him...

also, iran is islamic in the sense that they have a democratic govenment, and that laws go through the secular channel of the government, and then must go through the religious channel of the government, a fair system i would say

[bihari]

Originally Posted by Revert

There no Isalmaic states in this world today. There many countries that are Muslim Majority though.

true, but some are closer than others

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Biryani

What is your definition of an Islamic state?

A state the rules in accordance to the Sacred Law, not a state that pays lip service to it.

[shadha]

Iran doesn't bother me as much as other Muslim nations do, which is why I am willing to go there in a couple years InshaAllah. Yeah many of their laws annoy the **** out of me, much like other Muslim nations, but Iran at least has balls. You gotta respect the country that will bite the hand that's feeding their neighboring countries.

There are a couple books out written by Iranian women that I'm interested in reading. Much of the public complaint is the forcing of the Hijab, but I'm sure there are other issues the women of Iran face that the media isn't shinning light upon. So I figure, when I go there, I'll really see what's up from a females [and American] perspective.


shadha-

[sixpakistan]

Iran is neither Islamic nor just.

That said, I do respect their government's willingness to stand up to Israel & the US.

[Variable]

If anyone knows... what parts of their system do they hold up as Islamic even they they aren't?

[Pardees]

I don't think the many political prisoners in Evin, or members of any religious minority (especially bahais...who are afforded no legal rights, including a right to life) would call Iran "just" by any stretch of the imagination. I laughed out loud when I once heard ahmadinejad refer to Iran as "the most democratic country in the world." give me a break. It's pretty upsetting that the nuclear issue in Iran has led so many people to neglect Iran's human rights record.

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Biryani

What is your definition of an Islamic state?

Well, you know what our definition of an Islamic state is, you obviously don't agree on that; our Islamic state would be in line with the one that was established by the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w and extended by Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Muawiyah radhiyallahu anhum. Ali radhiyallahu anhu as well was part of that Islamic empire but unfortunately Islamic state suffered lots of damage during his period, though it became quite strong during Caliph Muawiya's rule.
Please don't start any Ali-Muawiya debate, I'm not intending to start any such discussion, I'm simply telling you how we (sunnis) and you (shias) don't agree on what an Islamic state is, and this is a reality, you may 'shower' your love upon sunnis in sunni forums but you will agree with me on shiachat, trust me.
The 'true' Islamic state in the eyes of shias would be 'first time' established when Imam Mehdi appears, right?

I'm not here to criticise what you call an 'Islamic State', I'm only trying to explain that the way shias don't accept Taliban's Sharia calling it Wahabism or Extremism, I and most sunnis who have good knowledge of shi'ism don't as well recognise Iran as an Islamic State, Iran is simply a hardcore shia state that often damages sunnis' interest when it sees their dream of greater Shia Empire may come true.

If you compare Taliban's Islam with Iranians' Islam, you will agree that Taliban never supported Americans or Russians against Muslims, but Iranians have really been supporting Americans in Iraq at least and there's no doubt about it.

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Pardees

I don't think the many political prisoners in Evin, or members of any religious minority (especially bahais...who are afforded no legal rights, including a right to life) would call Iran "just" by any stretch of the imagination. I laughed out loud when I once heard ahmadinejad refer to Iran as "the most democratic country in the world." give me a break. It's pretty upsetting that the nuclear issue in Iran has led so many people to neglect Iran's human rights record.

Well, I personally know them because I have been interacting with them (shias), a few days ago I heard their kids were calling sunnis' kids najis (filthy), a sunni girl got to touch a shia girl while passing by and the shia girl said she became najis because of that touch, another boy told his mates that Parsis are najis (filthy) and if you touch them you become najis too
They (kids) are not so good at taqiyya, they say what they learn from their parents

[msmoorad]

Originally Posted by Abdul_Karim

Iran is not an Islamic state at all.

salaams to all

you took the words right outta my mouth.

jazakallah

[AliFazel]

Which System is republic in nature with Ulemah as its guardians besides the Islamic republic of Iran?

If you ask the Bahai and Ahmedia – They will say it isn’t Islamic.
To believe in Sahadah according to Sunni and Shia view is to accept Muhammad(SAW) as khatem-un-Nabieen.
This the Bahai and Ahmedia ppl reject.

Prophet (Saw) said, “Kana Islam Gharib - SaYakunu Gharib – Fatubu Ghurba” forgive the transliteration – Yesterday (in the past) Islam was poor- (in future too) it shall be Poor – congratulation to the poor (for they are successful )

Shah Reza Pahalvi had an apparatus in operation whose function was to corrupt the population – All vices – gambling, Alcohol, obscene literatures and movies and any thing anti-islamic was being encouraged. The students and the future generation were the targets of Savak-CIA operation. ----- When Imam Khomeini overthrew this corrupt firon of Persia – he admitted that the corruption was so rampant that the cleansing period would take decades.

Instead of feeling happy that the apparatus (CIA-Savak intelligence), that subjected the Arab nations to the same corruption and keep them off balance and imposing the US policy on the region, was finally destroyed, - The neighbouring nations instead supported the war to destroy Iran – AND instead took over the roll of the Shah in executing the US Policy in the region. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait Egypt and an the emirates are today fulfilling the same roll.

- When Iran thwarted the Western policy they (the new Pawns of present day) supported the 9 year imposed war against Iran.
- When Hezbullah rubbed the nose of Israel in the mud and regained the pride of Muslims lost in Yom Kippur war The Saudi and Egypt came out criticising them.
- They (the new pawns) complained against the formation of Shia crescent – in a bid to thwart their efforts against the kufar west.

NA SHUKRAN – E – NAMET – Ungratefulness to the blessings of Allah (SWT)

That’s what we Muslims have become. – Instead of thanking Allah (SWT) on what we have today – and instead of striving to build (unity, understanding and co-operation) on it, we only seek to criticise what we have and talk against it. we prefer disunity to unity and thus we serve the cause of Iblis. Unfortunately intelligent thinking has no place in our lives.

IRAN IS THE ONLY THING CLOSE TO ISLAMIC SYSTEM – and the only pure Islamic system, we shall have after this, will inshallah be THE GOVERNMENT OF MAHDI (A.J.)