[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

I cant believe people are still this bloody naive. Have you lived in a cave over the last 10 years? Where in the world is there a stable and transparent democracy that is void of corruption?

Its impossible to eliminate corruption completely. But its important to note that some countries do a far better job fighting it then others. Pakistan, Nigeria, and several other Muslim countries have the worst forms of corruption.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Anyhow, the country needs a major overhaul and it needs an efficient, just government to do that. I'm not sure how its going to get out of the situation.

What needs to happen is a multinational conglomerate has to pull off a private-equity style LBO / takeover of the country. Pay off the outstanding debts, convince Zardari and their types to leave, and make peace with the army or get them to sign up for the big idea. Fight corruption by installing potent DAs and SAs. Bring in Blackwater-types to enforce the changes at a granular level, and get Pakistan's economy restarted by putting people to work for companies that provide services / products on a global scale. Pre-sell the idea to the masses a year or more in advance via a massive PR campaign.

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

What needs to happen is a multinational conglomerate has to pull off a private-equity style LBO / takeover of the country. Pay off the outstanding debts, convince Zardari and their types to leave, and make peace with the army or get them to sign up for the big idea. Fight corruption by installing potent DAs and SAs. Bring in Blackwater-types to enforce the changes at a granular level, and get Pakistan's economy restarted by putting people to work for companies that provide services / products on a global scale. Pre-sell the idea to the masses a year or more in advance via a massive PR campaign.

we dont need adice from idiot like you. your a sell out and a corrupt person yourself

[iceonfire]

I am MAd not only do they take down Musharraf but they replace him with a currupt leader!!! who in there right minds DO that!?!?!? Thats why the countrys goin down cause of stupid moves like that.. There playin chess with checkers over there.

[sumiyia]

Originally Posted by Rambo

we dont need adice from idiot like you. your a sell out and a corrupt person yourself

[Ayooshi]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Anyhow, to me, he's important because it shows that there are still people in Pakistan working towards the good of the country rather then their own financial benefit, ideological vendetta, or lust for personal power.

Asalamu Alaikum,

Yes, agreed.

Imran Khan is an awesome possum.

Fi AmanAllah

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by Rambo

we dont need adice from idiot like you. your a sell out and a corrupt person yourself

and you know this how ?

[HijabiPrincezz]

cheif justice saeed-uz-zaman siddiqui is my dads best freind's uncle....according to my dad i met him when i was very little but my dad's met him quite a few times throughout his childhood cause this freind and my dad grew up together throughout childhood.... i found this out last night when my dad saw him on TV.

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

What needs to happen is a multinational conglomerate has to pull off a private-equity style LBO / takeover of the country. Pay off the outstanding debts, convince Zardari and their types to leave, and make peace with the army or get them to sign up for the big idea. Fight corruption by installing potent DAs and SAs. Bring in Blackwater-types to enforce the changes at a granular level, and get Pakistan's economy restarted by putting people to work for companies that provide services / products on a global scale. Pre-sell the idea to the masses a year or more in advance via a massive PR campaign.

I think the last thing Pakistan needs is full fledged capitalism.

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by HijabiPrincezz

cheif justice saeed-uz-zaman siddiqui is my dads best freind's uncle....according to my dad i met him when i was very little but my dad's met him quite a few times throughout his childhood cause this freind and my dad grew up together throughout childhood.... i found this out last night when my dad saw him on TV.

My grandfather used to live in the same housing complex as General Zia and used to beat him up when they were kids.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

I think the last thing Pakistan needs is full fledged capitalism.

That's not what I was advocating, at all.

When a public company is performing poorly due to bad or incompetent management, its often taken private in order to strip out the bloated management core, increase value and then flipped over to the public again in a few years. I really don't see why you can't apply the same model to a country like Pakistan.

One of the benefits would definitely be a much stronger economy. A key mistake made by early leaders was the decision to import almost everything, instead of setting up organically-grown industries. Steel, building materials, TVs, cars, electronics, and much more - were all imported. And as a result, Pakistan's economy is crippled and performing nowhere near its potential. In stark contrast is India which insisted on developing its own industries even if it meant that those generations had to survive on nothing but daal and bread. As a result, in a span of two generations their commodities imports no longer include basics such as steel, plastics, or petroleum-based products. And their services based economy makes up a massive portion of their economic output, which - since you mentioned USA - is comparable to the 70/30 split of services / tangible products of America's economy.

Yes a P.E. deal is a tall order but its definitely better than having Pakistan be broken up by civil war, which is what many people seem resigned to, unfortunately.

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

That's not what I was advocating, at all.

When a public company is performing poorly due to bad or incompetent management, its often taken private in order to strip out the bloated management core, increase value and then flipped over to the public again in a few years. I really don't see why you can't apply the same model to a country like Pakistan.

One of the benefits would definitely be a much stronger economy. A key mistake made by early leaders was the decision to import almost everything, instead of setting up organically-grown industries. Steel, building materials, TVs, cars, electronics, and much more - were all imported. And as a result, Pakistan's economy is crippled and performing nowhere near its potential. In stark contrast is India which insisted on developing its own industries even if it meant that those generations had to survive on nothing but daal and bread. As a result, in a span of two generations their commodities imports no longer include basics such as steel, plastics, or petroleum-based products. And their services based economy makes up a massive portion of their economic output, which - since you mentioned USA - is comparable to the 70/30 split of services / tangible products of America's economy.

Yes a P.E. deal is a tall order but its definitely better than having Pakistan be broken up by civil war, which is what many people seem resigned to, unfortunately.

I'm still not getting the analogy. Most of the industries in Pakistan are privatized anyway. The problem is that their are too many links between wealthy families and state power. Thats where the corruption is happening. A lot of kickbacks between family members are occurring at the expense of the consumer and citizen alike.

In terms of privatizing the entire state, I'm not even sure what that would entail, but the state is already like that. Pakistan is a far cry from a socialist/communist system. Its mode of production is one transitioning between feudalism and capitalism.