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I think Kosovans are the ones that have the babies in their arms and beg for money on the Tube?
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I think Kosovans are the ones that have the babies in their arms and beg for money on the Tube?
I think you are wrong. People begging for money are Desis from Pakistan or Barotistan
This conclusion is more accurate than yours.
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I think you are wrong. People begging for money are Desis from Pakistan or Barotistan
This conclusion is more accurate than yours.
There are Kosovars who beg for money in the UK, I've heard this from more than one person.
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I think you are wrong. People begging for money are Desis from Pakistan or Barotistan
This conclusion is more accurate than yours.
Oh, I'm sorry brother, I did not mean that comment offensively, although now I've reread it, I realise the way I've worded it can come across as offensive, and I apologise for that. It was more of a question than a statement.

We've had a big influx of refugee Kosovans and Albanians into the UK after the war. It was after the influx that we saw a phenomenon in London, something we'd not seen before - women carrying babies, and begging for money on the Tube, which is our underground train system. They also come outside the mosque on Friday after Juma prayers. They are dressed quite distinctly. It's less common now, but I always used to wonder why it was always women with little babies, and where their menfolk were.
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Jetmir and Albano, it was more common duirng the late 90's and early 2000's. Either young women with babies or Little Girls with a note would come up to you and ask for money, all the while the "men" would be in the town centre harrassing teenage girls.


I know this doesn't represent the majority of the ethnic albanian population, but it was very common in the big cities of the UK.
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The Balkans including Kosova were the core regions of the successive three great empire-civilizations: Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman. In all of these empires people from what is today Albania occupied very important offices. So they contributed very much to the construction of western civilizations such as the European and Islamic ones. Albanians have much to be proud of.
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Just our of curiosity, I was always wondering where all the Mujahideen types where during the 1999 Genocide, I mean they got the job done in Bosnia in 95, but I can't help but think we let NATO fight this war for us. Or am I missing something here?
The natives did not want them.

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Serbians are attacking the US Embassy there...
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The natives did not want them.
riiight . There were mujahideen in Kosova, not many though, probably cause there wasnt a call to jihad by albanians.
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Serbians are attacking the US Embassy there...
Theres a reason why there were no police protecting the embassy.
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yay kosova! it saddens me to see so many countries/people refusing to recognize kosova...
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Oh, I'm sorry brother, I did not mean that comment offensively, although now I've reread it, I realise the way I've worded it can come across as offensive, and I apologise for that. It was more of a question than a statement.

We've had a big influx of refugee Kosovans and Albanians into the UK after the war. It was after the influx that we saw a phenomenon in London, something we'd not seen before - women carrying babies, and begging for money on the Tube, which is our underground train system. They also come outside the mosque on Friday after Juma prayers. They are dressed quite distinctly. It's less common now, but I always used to wonder why it was always women with little babies, and where their menfolk were.
I thought you were being sarcastic. You might be right. I don't live in UK. But still there is still possibility of those women to be gypsies. Normally in Kosova or Macedonia gypsies beg outside the mosques.
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I saw there was an argument about who is 'the only muslim country in europe'.
Well statistically(including everybody who is born muslim) now # 1 is Kosovo with about 85-90% of the 2 million population. # 2 is Albania with about 75% of over 3 millions. And then comes Bosnia. But if "Republika Srpska' seperates the percentage of muslims will be higher.
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Kosovo Jews uncertain about future


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Dinah Spritzer / jta , THE JERUSALEM POST Feb. 19, 2008

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On a forlorn road dotted with half-built houses, Ines Quono reflects on her struggle in a land so remote to most Americans it might as well be Oz.

But instead of a yellow brick road, there is crumbling, mud-drenched pavement piled high with garbage.

"The only thing that works in Kosovo is the banks; we all have to borrow money to do something - anything," says Quono, 28.

Quono is among the last Jews of Kosovo, a southern province of Serbia about half the size of New Jersey that declared independence Sunday.

Unemployment in Kosovo hovers at 50 percent and the average wage is $350 a month. "We all worry how we will get by," says Quono, a university student, wife and mother of a toddler.

The future of Quono and her family is uncertain, as they decide whether their destiny is in Israel or in southeastern Europe, where their roots go back to the 15th-century Spanish Inquisition, when thousands of Sephardic Jews fled to the Balkans.

There are some 50 Jews left in Kosovo. Belonging to three families, or clans, they all live in the city of Prizren, a rare gem of ancient architecture amid a landscape devastated by war, poverty and Communist-era concrete.

The United Nations took over the administration of Kosovo in 1999 after a brutal conflict between Kosovo Albanians seeking independence and Serbian troops controlled by strongman Slobodan Milosevic.

Ethnic Albanians account for 90 percent of Kosovo's population of 2.2 million. The Albanians are Muslim, but largely secular.

Corruption, criminality and a lack of foreign investment have marked life in Kosovo over the last nine years, during which final-status negotiations between a now democratic Serbia and Kosovo's ethnic Albanian leaders failed.

On Sunday, Kosovo's prime minister declared independence with support from the United States and most of the European Union -- and with fierce opposition from Serbia, whose position is backed by Russia.

Distressed by a war they watched from the sidelines and facing an uncertain future, the Jews of Prizren are gloomy. When the war started, the other Jews in Kosovo - the 50 living in the capital city of Pristina - fled to Serbia, where they spoke the language and felt a part of the culture. But those in Prizren, where Jews speak Albanian and Turkish - there is a large Turkish population there - stayed.

Now, with Kosovo having broken away from Serbia, those like Votim Demiri, Quono's father, who made a decent living under communism, find it hard to leave the homes they built, despite fears of growing tensions with their neighbors.
"There was not anti-Semitism in the past, but with the Saudi charities here now we are seeing a Wahabi influence for the first time," Demiri said, referring to the fundamentalist Islamic ideology Saudi Arabian clerics have tried to export, with little success, in the Balkans. "I think the newspapers these days are not portraying Jews in such a positive light."

The greatest concern for Jews here, however, is the concern shared by all Kosovars: feeding their families. In this regard, they are both at an advantage and a disadvantage.

They are helped by the American Joint Jewish Distribution Committee, which provides them with social services, hosts celebrations on Jewish holidays and tries to help with employment.

On the negative side, Jews are outsiders in quasi-state controlled by ethnic Albanians who mete out the few jobs there are to friends and family, said Robert Djerassi, the JDC official responsible for the organization's activities in Kosovo.

"Ninety percent of Jews in Prizren are jobless," he said.

Earlier this month, the JDC held a brainstorming session on job opportunities with 25 Prizren Jews aged 40 and under.

"I said, 'If you can think of a shop or service, like giving English lessons, I find some capital to get you started,'" Djerassi told JTA.

"They tried to explain to me why it cannot happen; they are very pessimistic."

There are also obstacles in connecting Prizren's Jews to other Jews in the region.

"My idea is to make them part of something bigger, to bring them to events in Skopje or Belgrade. But the small children, 15 and under, they don't speak Serbian and that's a problem," Djerassi said.

"Our spiritual life, like our economic life, is a disaster," Demiri said, pointing to his rotting roof. His children, it seems, are preparing for an eventual move to Israel.

Quono's sister, Teuta Demiri, 22, recently spent a year at a kibbutz, where she studied Hebrew. A bank teller in Prizren, Teuta is thinking about aliyah but is not confident she can find work in Israel. Her brother is studying Hebrew and also is nervous about his job prospects.

"I have been thinking for eight years whether to go or not to go to Israel," their father, Votim Demiri said.

He shows off a 20-year-old picture of his mother talking to Simon Peres in Ashdod, Israel, where she moved after World War II while her children opted to build a socialist state in the heart of Europe. But they always knew about their Jewish roots.

Religion, however, was far from their lives.

Demiri is from a generation of Jews who fondly recall life in Yugoslavia, of which Kosovo was a part.

A former textile factory director, Demiri has been mostly out of work for the last two decades, and his prospects of employment are dim. What he does have is a beautiful, 19th-century, three-story home, albeit one he cannot afford to maintain.

For some of Prizren's Jews, aliyah is complicated by more than employment worries.

Ulvi Zhalta, 59, looks decades older than his cousin Demiri, 62, due to such health problems as heart disease and an eye clouded by blindness.

Like nearly all Jews who stayed in Prizren after World War II, Zhalta's mother married a non-Jew, in her case an ethnic Albanian.

"She was buried in a Muslim cemetery. There are no Jewish cemeteries here, but she was registered as a member of the Jewish community in Belgrade," he said.

Zhalta said he applied for permission to immigrate to Israel in 2000, but has not yet received permission from the Jewish Agency for Israel. He suspects his mother's Jewish identity is the source of the delay.

In response to queries on Zhalta's case, an Israeli representative of the Jewish Agency said the details of individual applications are private.

"Everyone in my family wants to go to Israel," Zhalta said as the lights went off in his cousin's living room during one of the daily power outages that have gone on for so long in Kosovo that few can remember life without them.
Kosovo Jews uncertain about future | Jerusalem Post
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I for one was very happy to hear of this and not surprised that countries like Russia and China refuse to acknowledge it...especially more for Russia since they have pretty much bought Serbia's entire energy sector...

RUSSIA CAPTURES SERBIA’S ENERGY SECTOR - Eurasia Daily Monitor

typical...

and the slavic thing is another issue. this also means that there is hope for other secessionist groups...

one can hope.
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