[GOTFIVEONIT]

The 'Jewish Primary'

Jewish Journal.com, News Analysis, Raphael J. Sonenshein, Posted: Feb 05, 2008

When California moved its presidential primary to Feb. 5, and other big states followed suit, the strategic role of Jewish voters in the nominating process was greatly enhanced- inadvertently creating a "Jewish primary."

In the more than 20 states that will hold primaries live 5,111,685 Jews, according to the American Jewish Committee’s 2006 American Jewish Year Book, representing nearly 80 percent of all American Jews.

Both parties will see 
the Jewish impact. The Democrats will feel it directly because the great majority of Jewish voters are registered as Democrats. While California's Jews are 3.3 percent of the population, the Field Poll shows them to be 5 percent of Democratic voters. In New York, Jews are 8.4 percent of the population, but represent a much larger share of the Democratic electorate.

But Republicans will also be keeping a close eye on the Jewish vote. Even a relatively small bloc of Jewish Republicans can affect a highly contested Republican primary given the high turnout of Jewish voters. In the long run, Republicans hope to attract crossover Jewish voters and campaign donations in the general election. A Republican nominee who appeals to Jewish voters will be highly competitive in the fall.

When the primary season loomed on the horizon in late 2007, Jewish voters registered their preferences quite clearly. In an American Jewish Committee poll, Jewish Democrats strongly favored Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Jewish Republicans most preferred former N.Y. Mayor Rudy Giuliani. These two New Yorkers towered over the other candidates. Sen. Clinton had overcome the suspicions of many in the New York Jewish community to prove her strong support of Israel, and as a known quantity had an edge over the other Democratic candidates. As mayor, Guiliani had been extremely popular among Jews in New York City, winning the great majority of Jewish voters in both of his victories. This popularity was expected to help him not only in his own state but also in Florida, with its many Jewish ex-New Yorkers.

Since that time, the paths of the two frontrunners have diverged. Clinton fell badly in Iowa but has since recovered to maintain a consistent if smaller lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. Meanwhile, Giuliani's support deteriorated and he depended on a strong showing in Florida to stay in the race. Popular among Florida's thousands of ex-New Yorkers and also with anti-Castro Cuban Americans, Guiliani had poured funds into the state. When Giuliani finished a disappointing third in the primary, his campaign was finished. He withdrew the next day and threw his support to McCain. Evidence from the Nevada caucuses held on Jan. 19 suggests that Clinton is holding her Jewish support against Obama's dynamic campaign.

An NBC exit poll found that Jews represented a remarkable 5 percent of caucus-goers and were Clinton's strongest single bloc of support. Jews backed her over Obama, by 67 percent to 25 percent. The only group comparable in its support for Clinton was the Latino vote, at 64 percent. In California, Jews also represent an estimated 5 percent of the Democratic electorate. If Jews and Latinos break the same way there as in Nevada, Obama will have a tough road ahead.

Why is Obama having trouble winning Jewish votes? To many Jewish voters he is an unknown on matters of vital interest to Jews. Moreover, he has been placed on the defensive by viral e-mails claiming he is a Muslim by a leaked memo from the American Jewish Committee that raised doubts about his position on the Middle East. Obama has aggressively fought back against the shadowy e-mails, and major Jewish organizations and leaders have spoken out publicly against the attacks. The hawkish New York Sun ran an editorial that defended Obama's record on Israel and the Jewish community.

In the bigger picture, Republicans are previewing their strategy to win Jewish votes in the fall. The menu includes support for Israel, a tough foreign policy, confrontation with Iran and dramatic portrayals of a global war with radical Islam. Despite their strong identification with the party, Jewish voters cannot be taken for granted. Unless all blanks are proactively filled in with Jewish voters, doubts and uncertainties can grow into real trouble. 


It is unclear what decision either party has made on a final nominee. But this is a very important moment, the closest thing we have to a national primary, with big urbanized states weighing in on a field of strong candidates. And Jewish voters will be at the center of the action.

[sally]

what do jews drink for breakfast?

orange juice!

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by sally

what do jews drink for breakfast?

orange juice!

Is it a full moon out or something? I've never seen you this lame.

[vegetables]

Zeidman: Rudy's backers to McCain


Published: 01/30/2008

Most of Rudy Giuliani's Jewish backers will now back John McCain, McCain's top fund-raiser said.

Fred Zeidman, a top lawyer and lobbyist with offices in Washington, told JTA that the former New York mayor's fund-raisers, among them prominent Republican Jews, were coming over in droves to the Arizona senator's campaign for the Republican presidential campaign.

"My phone and Blackberry were going off constantly," Zeidman said, after it became clear that Giuliani was coming in a distant third in the Florida primary on Tuesday.
Giuliani had pinned his hopes on Florida, and was expected Wednesday to announce his departure from the race and his endorsement of McCain.

McCain won Florida and Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, finished a close second.


Breaking News - JTA, Jewish & Israel News


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Looks like the hawks are backing McCain most likely for his itch to hit Iran. Pretty sure it won't be enough though because all the other candidates are Pro-Israel as well so their vote will be spread out on other issues.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

alot of this goes back to the 1960's and 1970's. jews and african-americans really dont get along, especially politically. the fact that so many african-americans are now muslims get's them even more revved up. plus the jewish-black riots in nyc back in the 90's as well. many shops in black neighborhoods were once owned by jews, now replaced by desi and korean merchants.

back in 1992, after the bush sr. fight with the isreali aipac lobby over loan garuntees used for isreali settements on palestinian lands, bill clinton stuck a yamaka on his head, and ran off to jewish synogougs and said 'im not opposed to settelements' violating the stance of every u.s. president since 1967 and the u.n. resolution of 338, which calls for the return of all lands siezed by the isrealis.

barak obama has called for an end to settelements, which is shocking for a democrat to do, in an election year on top of it, while running for the white house.

why the repugs keep pandering to the jews is beyond me.

as the former jewish new york mayor, ed koch, once claimed to have overheard former secretary of state james baker of bush sr. presidency say 'who cares what they (jews) think, they dont vote for us! (repugs)".

[GOTFIVEONIT]

JewishJournal.com



2008-02-08

Clinton wins N.Y. Jews, faces fight in California, nationally

Jewish GOP vote? Not enough data

By Ben Harris, Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Hillary Rodham Clinton scored a major victory with Jewish Democrats in New York and New Jersey in Super Tuesday voting, Barack Obama won a majority of Jewish support in Connecticut and Massachusetts, and the battle was close in California.

According to exit polls, Clinton took 65 percent of the Jewish primary vote in New York state, which she represents in the U.S. Senate, and 63 percent in neighboring New Jersey, compared to Obama's 35 percent in New York and 37 percent in New Jersey. She captured both states in the overall voting.

But Obama made a strong showing in Connecticut, which he won overall, with 61 percent of the Jewish vote to 38 percent for Clinton. In Massachusetts, which Obama lost overall, the Illinois senator edged Clinton in the Jewish vote, 52 percent to 48 percent.

Clinton also won the night's biggest prize, a majority of the 440 delegates at stake in California, but neither candidate could claim a majority of the Golden State's Jewish voters. Clinton took 48 percent of the Jewish vote there and Obama 44 percent. John Edwards, who withdrew from the race on Jan. 30, won the support of 8 percent of California Jews.

On the Republican side, Jews comprised such a small percentage of voters that finding a reliable statistical snapshot of their preferences was impossible.

Exit poll data were reported by MSNBC based on polling conducted by Edison/Mitofsky.

Obama's campaign has been scrambling for weeks to rebut various e-mail campaigns painting him as unsupportive of Israel and falsely alleging, among other things, that the Democratic candidate is secretly a Muslim who refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance.

Some observers have asserted that the e-mails were hurting the senator among Jewish voters, despite his generally strong performance in earlier states among white, affluent, college-educated voters. Yet with the exception of New York, Obama fared better among Jewish voters on Tuesday -- in some cases substantially better -- than he did among the broader white population.

In Massachusetts, for example, only 40 percent of white voters supported Obama compared to 52 percent of Jews. Obama also showed better among Jews than with voters earning more than $100,000 a year, 44 percent, and college graduates, 47 percent.

"People that would believe" the e-mail attacks "weren't voting for him anyway," Hank Sheinkopf, a longtime Democratic consultant, told JTA. "If it had really been so impactful, then Jews would have voted against him."

Sheinkopf says The New York Times endorsement is more likely to move Jews to the Clinton side than scurrilous claims that Obama is weak on Israel and a Muslim sympathizer.

He attributed Jewish support for Obama in Massachusetts and Connecticut to the strength of Sen. Edward Kennedy's endorsement.

"The Kennedy influence had an extraordinary impact," Sheinkopf said, "partly for Jews that believe that secular liberalism is their religion. Kennedy's liberalism and the impact of the Kennedy name were more influential on them than on other groups."

Polls showed that turnout on Super Tuesday was high. The Jewish percentage of the Democratic electorate outstripped the percentage of the general voting-age population in every Super Tuesday state with a significant Jewish community.

In New York, Jews represent roughly 9 percent of eligible voters, according to University of Miami demographer Ira Sheskin, but comprised 16 percent of voters in the Democratic primary. In Connecticut, Jews are 3.5 percent of the electorate but made up 10 percent of Democratic primary voters.

In California, Jews were 5 percent of Democratic voters, compared to 3.7 percent overall; 6 percent in Massachusetts, compared to 4.5 percent; and 9 percent in New Jersey, compared to 6 percent.

With the Democratic contest still very much undecided -- Clinton leads Obama by about 100 delegates in a race with 4,049 at stake -- attention will likely return to Florida, a delegate-rich state that party leaders have promised not to count toward the nomination.

Only two states, New York and California, have more Jews than Florida. Exit polling showed that in the Sunshine State's Jan. 29 primary, Clinton took 58 percent of the Jewish vote, compared to 26 percent for Obama and 13 percent for Edwards.

The Democratic National Committee stripped Florida and Michigan of their delegates after the states violated party rules by scheduling its primary earlier than Feb. 5.

DNC Chairman Howard Dean, interviewed Monday on CNN, said the issue would be sorted out by a credentials committee over which he has no control.

Yet even if the delegates are seated at the party convention this summer, the Obama campaign could still cry foul. Like Clinton, Obama abided by a pledge not to campaign in Florida, and he could argue that the results in Florida and Clinton's easy victory don't truly reflect the wishes of the electorate.

"At the end of the day," Dean said on CNN, "we want a unified party, including Florida and Michigan."

As the race moves forward, another large state with a sizable Jewish population, Pennsylvania, is likely to gain more attention in the media and from the two campaigns. Pennsylvania is scheduled to hold its primaries on April 22.

[Haramoobobi]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

alot of this goes back to the 1960's and 1970's. jews and african-americans really dont get along, especially politically. the fact that so many african-americans are now muslims get's them even more revved up. plus the jewish-black riots in nyc back in the 90's as well. many shops in black neighborhoods were once owned by jews, now replaced by desi and korean merchants.

back in 1992, after the bush sr. fight with the isreali aipac lobby over loan garuntees used for isreali settements on palestinian lands, bill clinton stuck a yamaka on his head, and ran off to jewish synogougs and said 'im not opposed to settelements' violating the stance of every u.s. president since 1967 and the u.n. resolution of 338, which calls for the return of all lands siezed by the isrealis.

barak obama has called for an end to settelements, which is shocking for a democrat to do, in an election year on top of it, while running for the white house.

why the repugs keep pandering to the jews is beyond me.

as the former jewish new york mayor, ed koch, once claimed to have overheard former secretary of state james baker of bush sr. presidency say 'who cares what they (jews) think, they dont vote for us! (repugs)".

HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA

for your kind information my step-grandmother is a african american JEW

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Haramoobobi

HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA

for your kind information my step-grandmother is a african american JEW

you cant deny that since the 1970's, there have always been tensions between african-americans and jewish-americans. jews wanted power, but didnt have the votes to get it. they used the black votes to get them. blacks became resentful over it, which resulted in jessi jackson's famous 1984 line refering to new york city as hymie town during his presidential bid. not to mention the black-jewish riots in nyc in the 1990's after an orthodox jewish motorist ran over two small black haitian kids and the community erupted in furor.

most black congressmen support palestine and not isreal. im not surprised because of the tentions in the past. jew's have even gone so far as to lead smear campaigns against african-americans. many african-americans are angry over many media potrayals, most of hollywood is run by jews.

in fact the irony is that in his 2004 senate campaign here in IL, barack obama tried to re-open the old black-jewish political alliance by targeting the liberal chicago lakefront full of jewish voters, and the northern suburbs and combing that with the southside black voters. it probably worked, but not the main reason why he won his senate seat, as you can see from his current presidential run.

[MossadConspiracy]

jewish businesses in black areas of brooklyn werent replaced by desi or korean ones after the riots, you're thinking of LA or something. In the ghetto, its all yemeni corner stores and black owned shops

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

jewish businesses in black areas of brooklyn werent replaced by desi or korean ones after the riots, you're thinking of LA or something. In the ghetto, its all yemeni corner stores and black owned shops

actually i was thinking about chicago's west side.

[Foxhole]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

The 'Jewish Primary'

Jewish Journal.com, News Analysis, Raphael J. Sonenshein, Posted: Feb 05, 2008

When California moved its presidential primary to Feb. 5, and other big states followed suit, the strategic role of Jewish voters in the nominating process was greatly enhanced- inadvertently creating a "Jewish primary."

In the more than 20 states that will hold primaries live 5,111,685 Jews, according to the American Jewish Committee’s 2006 American Jewish Year Book, representing nearly 80 percent of all American Jews.

Both parties will see 
the Jewish impact. The Democrats will feel it directly because the great majority of Jewish voters are registered as Democrats. While California's Jews are 3.3 percent of the population, the Field Poll shows them to be 5 percent of Democratic voters. In New York, Jews are 8.4 percent of the population, but represent a much larger share of the Democratic electorate.

But Republicans will also be keeping a close eye on the Jewish vote. Even a relatively small bloc of Jewish Republicans can affect a highly contested Republican primary given the high turnout of Jewish voters. In the long run, Republicans hope to attract crossover Jewish voters and campaign donations in the general election. A Republican nominee who appeals to Jewish voters will be highly competitive in the fall.

When the primary season loomed on the horizon in late 2007, Jewish voters registered their preferences quite clearly. In an American Jewish Committee poll, Jewish Democrats strongly favored Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Jewish Republicans most preferred former N.Y. Mayor Rudy Giuliani. These two New Yorkers towered over the other candidates. Sen. Clinton had overcome the suspicions of many in the New York Jewish community to prove her strong support of Israel, and as a known quantity had an edge over the other Democratic candidates. As mayor, Guiliani had been extremely popular among Jews in New York City, winning the great majority of Jewish voters in both of his victories. This popularity was expected to help him not only in his own state but also in Florida, with its many Jewish ex-New Yorkers.

Since that time, the paths of the two frontrunners have diverged. Clinton fell badly in Iowa but has since recovered to maintain a consistent if smaller lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. Meanwhile, Giuliani's support deteriorated and he depended on a strong showing in Florida to stay in the race. Popular among Florida's thousands of ex-New Yorkers and also with anti-Castro Cuban Americans, Guiliani had poured funds into the state. When Giuliani finished a disappointing third in the primary, his campaign was finished. He withdrew the next day and threw his support to McCain. Evidence from the Nevada caucuses held on Jan. 19 suggests that Clinton is holding her Jewish support against Obama's dynamic campaign.

An NBC exit poll found that Jews represented a remarkable 5 percent of caucus-goers and were Clinton's strongest single bloc of support. Jews backed her over Obama, by 67 percent to 25 percent. The only group comparable in its support for Clinton was the Latino vote, at 64 percent. In California, Jews also represent an estimated 5 percent of the Democratic electorate. If Jews and Latinos break the same way there as in Nevada, Obama will have a tough road ahead.

Why is Obama having trouble winning Jewish votes? To many Jewish voters he is an unknown on matters of vital interest to Jews. Moreover, he has been placed on the defensive by viral e-mails claiming he is a Muslim by a leaked memo from the American Jewish Committee that raised doubts about his position on the Middle East. Obama has aggressively fought back against the shadowy e-mails, and major Jewish organizations and leaders have spoken out publicly against the attacks. The hawkish New York Sun ran an editorial that defended Obama's record on Israel and the Jewish community.

In the bigger picture, Republicans are previewing their strategy to win Jewish votes in the fall. The menu includes support for Israel, a tough foreign policy, confrontation with Iran and dramatic portrayals of a global war with radical Islam. Despite their strong identification with the party, Jewish voters cannot be taken for granted. Unless all blanks are proactively filled in with Jewish voters, doubts and uncertainties can grow into real trouble. 


It is unclear what decision either party has made on a final nominee. But this is a very important moment, the closest thing we have to a national primary, with big urbanized states weighing in on a field of strong candidates. And Jewish voters will be at the center of the action.

You're a good Muslim.

[Haramoobobi]

The world is full of acceptations; heck I am half Palestinian and half Israeli.

[Kona_Silat]

Originally Posted by sally

what do jews drink for breakfast?

orange juice!

You are an anti-Semite. (kidding)

[Kona_Silat]

Originally Posted by Haramoobobi

The world is full of acceptations; heck I am half Palestinian and half Israeli.

Palestinian and Israeli are neither ethnic backgrounds, they are nationalities. It is like someone being half Canadian and half American, yet both parents are of Anglo-Saxon background.