[Haramoobobi]

Originally Posted by Kona_Silat

Palestinian and Israeli are neither ethnic backgrounds, they are nationalities. It is like someone being half Canadian and half American, yet both parents are of Anglo-Saxon background.

Haha, try saying that to them! Identity has to do people's world views and the perception of themselves in that world view as well as how they interrupt and the important of words to the individual (ie semantics).

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Macaca

This shows you the extremism of the Jewish community in America. I don't mean religious extremism,but this extremism as far as Palestine goes. Guiliani doesn't even think Palestinians deserve a state-this is in line with what most Jews in America believe. This is how he got that support. And if you look at Obama's homepage he is very pro-Israel. But nowhere near Guiliani-who has beliefs in line with kahanists.

im not going to deny obama's pro-isreali attitude, but at least he has call for an end to all settelements. thats a huge stark contrast to what bill clinton did back in 1992 when he said he favors settelments to get jewish vote (and money). so at least we can hope for a bit more fair and balanced policy, as compared to that of bush. it was after all two democratic presidents who presided over two peace treaties, carter and clinton.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Breaking News

Sen. Hillary Clinton has replaced her presidential campaign manager.

hahaha that's funny, that's when you know your in trouble hahaha. that can only be good news for the man who can beat john mccain in november, and that's obama.

MAINE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUSES

OBAMA - 57 %

962

HILLARY - 42%

702

44% Precincts reporting... so far

and look's like obama is headed for another huge victory in maine

34 total delegates at stake.

i love how cnn is calling it the 'ballot bowl' like its the super bowl, or the college bowls, i.e. rose bowl, sugar bowl, apple bowl, peach bowl etc. LOL

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Kona_Silat

Palestinian and Israeli are neither ethnic backgrounds, they are nationalities. It is like someone being half Canadian and half American, yet both parents are of Anglo-Saxon background.

hahah word..

Its like me saying i'm Half Welsh and Half English..when in actual fact I'm White. Anglo-Saxons don't exist anymore BTW.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Haramoobobi

Haha, try saying that to them! Identity has to do people's world views and the perception of themselves in that world view as well as how they interrupt and the important of words to the individual (ie semantics).

Well you could say you're half Arab and Half Hebrew..thats more fitting...

[GOTFIVEONIT]

having a jewish ancestor, first off doesnt make you jewish. jewish is a religion not a race. many jew's actually converted to Islam, leaving behind their religion.

also not all jew's are isrealis. isrealis are people who live there and grew up there. being an isreali, doesnt neccessarily make you jewish either, as many arab's live in haifa.

in fact, one of my neighbors who lives a few blocks away from me, came here from haifa in 1956 when he was a teenager and has lived in chicago since that time. he is a very old man now in his 80's.

[Haramoobobi]

Originally Posted by Revert

hahah word..

Its like me saying i'm Half Welsh and Half English..when in actual fact I'm White. Anglo-Saxons don't exist anymore BTW.

No it's like saying your half Irish and half British except being from an Israeli Jewish background (< that one is for got5) and a Muslim Palestinian is not as common.

Also I would like to highlight that you could even be atheist and still be Jewish. Nevermind, a Muslim with a Jewish ethnicity.

Example A:

A Jewish atheist or atheist Jew is a person of Jewish ethnicity who is an atheist, meaning they do not believe in Islamica Community - Home. Because Jewishness encompasses ethnic as well as religious components, it should be noted that the term "Jewish atheist" does not necessarily imply any kind of contradiction, unlike, for example "Islamica Community - Home atheist". Based on Jewish law's emphasis on matrilineal descent, Orthodox Jewish authorities would accept as fully Jewish an atheist with a Jewish mother.[1]

Source: Jewish atheist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am really to lazy to cite any thing other then wikipedia, but I hope you guys get the point. Alhumdullah, I have had many arguments with people who think they know what they are talking about and proceed to tell me about my own identity and how I should classify myself. Frankly, I think it's obnoxious and proceeds to indulge any onlooker the depth, persistent and loudness of their cyst of ignorance whilst skillful holding an air of self-righteousness.

I think better of you guys, Alhumdullah, and hope the quote sheds some light on the issue, inshAllah.

[LEGALEAGLE]

ahem

the term for a non-religious jew is a 'hebrew'

[Haramoobobi]

ahem

Hebrew is a language.


You might see "Hebrews" in the Bible because Christians don't have the inclination to call the people with Esa (as) as Jews, esp since they converted to "Christianity". And they didn't even speak Hebrew, they spoke Aramaic. So even that archaic word is misused.

If you can find some proof otherwise, I'm open to it. However, ask any Jew, and they'll tell you it's a language. It's like being called "Arabic". No one calls them self a Hebrew/Arabic

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Haramoobobi

No it's like saying your half Irish and half British except being from an Israeli Jewish background (< that one is for got5) and a Muslim Palestinian is not as common.

Also I would like to highlight that you could even be atheist and still be Jewish. Nevermind, a Muslim with a Jewish ethnicity.

Example A:

A Jewish atheist or atheist Jew is a person of Jewish ethnicity who is an atheist, meaning they do not believe in Islamica Community - Home. Because Jewishness encompasses ethnic as well as religious components, it should be noted that the term "Jewish atheist" does not necessarily imply any kind of contradiction, unlike, for example "Islamica Community - Home atheist". Based on Jewish law's emphasis on matrilineal descent, Orthodox Jewish authorities would accept as fully Jewish an atheist with a Jewish mother.[1]

Source: Jewish atheist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am really to lazy to cite any thing other then wikipedia, but I hope you guys get the point. Alhumdullah, I have had many arguments with people who think they know what they are talking about and proceed to tell me about my own identity and how I should classify myself. Frankly, I think it's obnoxious and proceeds to indulge any onlooker the depth, persistent and loudness of their cyst of ignorance whilst skillful holding an air of self-righteousness.

I think better of you guys, Alhumdullah, and hope the quote sheds some light on the issue, inshAllah.

well i would like to be addressed as patron from now on (that's pronounced pet-trown).

but you cant be an athiest jews, because jews are not a race, its just a religion and nothing more. it would be like calling me an athiest muslim if i decided to stop believing in the existence of god.

[Arabatman]

Asalaamualaikum,

Jews consider themselves as an ethnicity. You can't be a Jew by conversion, as opposed to how Christianity and Islam allow for it. They consider if you are born to a Jewish mother then you are Jew by ethnicity. The religion falls in afterwards I suppose. This way they consider it to be an ethnicity and a religion. This is not how Judaism was in the beginning, but it has become as such today.

Although, I do understand why people think its only a religion.

Asalaamualaikum,

-Zahid

[shadha]

GOT5: having a jewish ancestor, first off doesnt make you jewish. jewish is a religion not a race. many jew's actually converted to Islam, leaving behind their religion.

If you are born to a Jewish mother, then you are Jewish...similar to if you are born to a Muslim father, you are Muslim. The difference is, Muslims don't believe that being a Muslim is an ethnicity, while as Jews believe being Jewish is an ethnicity all on it's own. I think it's silly but whatever.


shadha-

[Salahadeen]

Jewish is a religion, not an ethnicity.

The Jews wish to call it an ethnicity, so that if you are anti-Jewish, then you are automatically racist. There are so many Jews who are NOT semitic to begin with, including most of the Israelis. The lineage and ancestry of the current day Israelis does not realistically reach back to the early Israelites. This is just one of their lies in order to lay claim to the holy land of Palestine. Their skin burns in the sun and yet they claim to belong to the land! And even if they can trace their lineage to the Israelites and if they can prove they are true semites, then this proves only that they are semites, since not all semites converted to Judaism to begin with! And even those that did, there were those who apostatized and ceased being Jewish.

I doubt many people convert to Amish, so they are all probably of the same ethnicity. Does that mean that Amish is now an ethnicity or ever could be?

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Salahadeen

Jewish is a religion, not an ethnicity.

The Jews wish to call it an ethnicity, so that if you are anti-Jewish, then you are automatically racist. There are so many Jews who are NOT semitic to begin with, including most of the Israelis. The lineage and ancestry of the current day Israelis does not realistically reach back to the early Israelites. This is just one of their lies in order to lay claim to the holy land of Palestine. Their skin burns in the sun and yet they claim to belong to the land! And even if they can trace their lineage to the Israelites and if they can prove they are true semites, then this proves only that they are semites, since not all semites converted to Judaism to begin with! And even those that did, there were those who apostatized and ceased being Jewish.

I doubt many people convert to Amish, so they are all probably of the same ethnicity. Does that mean that Amish is now an ethnicity or ever could be?

and thats all what i have been saying too. its just a religion not a race. dna testing on european jews have proven virtually zero semetic dna in them. they are the descendants of khazars, europans who converted to judaism centuries ago in modern day odessa. funny most european jews hail from that part of ukraine.

[Salahadeen]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

and thats all what i have been saying too. its just a religion not a race. dna testing on european jews have proven virtually zero semetic dna in them. they are the descendants of khazars, europans who converted to judaism centuries ago in modern day odessa. funny most european jews hail from that part of ukraine.

Agreed.......