[GOTFIVEONIT]

nice speech. you seem to forgot to mention the part about how many frickin times the democratic controlled congress has voted to end the war, which ends up getting vetoed by bush. the only reason they cant override the presidential veto, is because they dont have the votes to do it.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

nice speech. you seem to forgot to mention the part about how many frickin times the democratic controlled congress has voted to end the war, which ends up getting vetoed by bush. the only reason they cant override the presidential veto, is because they dont have the votes to do it.

And why don't they have the votes to do it?

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

aww did i touch a raw nerve there? after all you see nothing wrong with importing cheap foreign labor to work in the I.T. industry, so i think its only fair that with an issue of such vital national importance, that cheap foreign doctors should be imported in and that will cut down rising health care costs. im glad the politicians are finally taking note of that fact.

I wasnt mad over that ridiculous nonsense, because I understand the healthcare system and medical education and I know its just a fantasy (a sexual/revenge fantasy). I was just poking fun at you for your hatred of doctors over the fact that they supposedly get all the beautiful indian girls instead of you. Its the funniest reason for hating doctors that I've ever seen. Most people I've encountered who hate doctors have either been mistreated by a doctor or lost a relative to what they see as incompetence by one. Your gripe is a unique and pretty funny one

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[PhDGirl]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

aww did i touch a raw nerve there? after all you see nothing wrong with importing cheap foreign labor to work in the I.T. industry, so i think its only fair that with an issue of such vital national importance, that cheap foreign doctors should be imported in and that will cut down rising health care costs. im glad the politicians are finally taking note of that fact.

Actually, that already happens to some extent. But, the major driver of health care costs in the United States isn't physician compensation anyway, so even if that trend continues, it is unlikely to have much of an impact on insurance premiums or change the cost structure.

[MoonStar]

So John Kerry's backing Obama.

so an overview so far (in my limited understanding of politics at least) :

- Ron Paul sounds cool on a lot of issues but unrealistic and out there on others. The idea of him being president is kinda scary. And he's probably not going to be a major candidate.

- All the other Republican candidates are evil.

- Hilary- I'm not really sure what she's about, sounds like the same old stuff. She'd be better than a Rebublican though.

- Obama- sounds cool though often he just sounds like idealistic rhetoric, but then again I'm cynical. Maybe he's for real. His views on Pakistan seem scary but overall he seems alright.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MoonStar

So John Kerry's backing Obama.

so an overview so far (in my limited understanding of politics at least) :

- Ron Paul sounds cool on a lot of issues but unrealistic and out there on others. The idea of him being president is kinda scary. And he's probably not going to be a major candidate.

Except he already is a major candidate. If he weren't, he would've dropped out of the race a long time ago, like Mike Gravel did.

- All the other Republican candidates are evil.

Agreed.

- Hilary- I'm not really sure what she's about, sounds like the same old stuff. She'd be better than a Rebublican though.

Hillary is just a female version of Bush, who only has "being the first woman to run for president" going for her.

- Obama- sounds cool though often he just sounds like idealistic rhetoric, but then again I'm cynical. Maybe he's for real. His views on Pakistan seem scary but overall he seems alright.

He is a Zionist warmonger (like Hillary), and that is not alright. The only thing he has going for him, is his charisma.

So, you have the Republican candidates, who are evil (Guiliani being the worst). Then you have the Democratic candidates, with Hillary running on being a woman president, and Obama running on his charisma. In the end, they're all still Zionist warmongers.

Then finally, you have the Libertarian Republican candidate Ron Paul actually campaigning on real issues as well as real solutions, and actually knows what he's talking about, with regards to them. Unfortunately, his campaign is very anti-establishment, and since they can't get much dirt on him, they try to downplay and ignore him as much as possible.

[MoonStar]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

Except he already is a major candidate. If he weren't, he would've dropped out of the race a long time ago, like Mike Gravel did..

Bill Richardson just dropped out a few days ago. And Paul placed 5th or so in Iowa/NH. I don't think he'll drop out soon though.

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

He is a Zionist warmonger (like Hillary), and that is not alright. The only thing he has going for him, is his charisma.

So, you have the Republican candidates, who are evil (Guiliani being the worst). Then you have the Democratic candidates, with Hillary running on being a woman president, and Obama running on his charisma. In the end, they're all still Zionist warmongers.

Both Hilary and him claim they'll gradually get the soldiers out, who knows what that means in reality though (another 5-10 years probably). Obama seems a lot more vocal against the war though. I wouldn't call them Zionists, but considering the zionists give them money they're not exactly going to bite their hands. At least Obama vocalized some sympathy for the Palestinians at that speech though. If a politician wants to get elected he's going to play it safe which Obama seems to be doing.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MoonStar

Bill Richardson just dropped out a few days ago. And Paul placed 5th or so in Iowa/NH. I don't think he'll drop out soon though.

There was voter fraud in NH, and what happened in Sutton, NH is evidence of that. Paul would've likely gotten 3rd place otherwise.

Both Hilary and him claim they'll gradually get the soldiers out, who knows what that means in reality though (another 5-10 years probably). Obama seems a lot more vocal against the war though. I wouldn't call them Zionists, but considering the zionists give them money they're not exactly going to bite their hands. At least Obama vocalized some sympathy for the Palestinians at that speech though. If a politician wants to get elected he's going to play it safe which Obama seems to be doing.

Playing it safe would be avoiding the discussion of Israel entirely. Being openly supportive of them is something different. Obama may be vocal against the Iraq war, but he is certainly supportive of wars against Iran and Pakistan.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

new nationwide polls are out. and it looks like hillary is winning. i think if hillary wins the nomination she has to pick obama as her running mate, then you have a deadly combo against the repugs.

USA Today/Gallup Poll. Jan. 10-13, 2008. N=1,021 Democrats and Democratic leaners nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Next, I'm going to read a list of people who may be running in the Democratic primary for president in the next election. After I read all the names, please tell me which of those candidates you would be most likely to support for the Democratic nomination for president in the year 2008, or if you would support someone else. . . ." Names rotated.

1/10-1/13/08

Hillary Clinton 45 %

Barack Obama 33%

John Edwards 13%

CBS News/New York Times Poll. Jan. 9-12, 2008. N=508 Democratic primary voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.

"Who would you like to see the Democratic Party nominate as its presidential candidate in 2008: [see below]?"

1/9 - 1/12/08

Hillary Clinton 42%

Barack Obama 27 %

American Research Group poll. Jan. 9-12, 2008. N=600 likely Democratic primary and caucus voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.

"If the 2008 Democratic presidential preference primary/caucus were being held today between [see below], for whom would you vote?" Names rotated

1/9-12/08

Hillary Clinton 47 %

Barack Obama 27%

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Jan. 9-10, 2008. N=443 registered voters nationwide who are Democrats or lean Democrats. MoE ± 4.5.

"Please tell me which of the following people you would be most likely to support for the Democratic nomination for president: [see below]?" Names rotated. For 10/07 and earlier, includes second choices of Gore supporters.

1/9-10/08

Hillary Clinton
49 %

Barack Obama
36 %

"Suppose the only Democratic candidates were Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Which of those two would you support?"

1/9 - 1/10/08

Clinton 53 %

Obama 44 %

Neither (vol.) 3%

Unsure 1 %
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White House 2008: General Election

CBS News/New York Times Poll. Jan. 9-12, 2008. N=995 registered voters nationwide.

"If the November 2008 election for president were being held today, would you probably vote for the Republican candidate or would you probably vote for the Democratic candidate?"

Republican Candidate
32 %

Democratic Candidate
50 %

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Jan. 9-10, 2008. N=840 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.

"If [see below] were the Democratic Party's candidate and [see below] were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for: [see below], the Democrat, or [see below], the Republican?" If unsure: "As of today, who do you lean more toward?"

Rudy Giuliani (R)
42 %
Hillary Clinton (D)
55%
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Mitt Romney (R)
40%
Hillary Clinton (D)
58%
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John McCain (R)
48%
Hillary Clinton (D)
50%
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John McCain (R)
48%
Barack Obama (D)
49%

[GOTFIVEONIT]

so mitt romney wins the GOP primary in Michigan. meaningless really. but this election isnt just about foreign policy. for the vast majority of voters, the #1 issue is the economy. and plenty of Muslim's are affected by that as well. I dont know about the rest of you, but this is my country. I have no where else to go. There is no 'old country' for me to run off to when the economy tanks, they way those h1b losers did when the dot.com tanked and ran off to china and india. I dont have that luxury. high wage, high paying jobs are being shipped off to third world countries, while we import cheap foreign labor to do those high wage jobs. and this is alarming. does foreign policy affect you or does the economy? i cant live under another four years of repug rule. im sorry but the rich should pay thier fare share. middle class tax cuts spurs an economy, and creates high wage jobs. bill clinton proved this. there are plenty of I.T. workers and engineers who are either out of work, or working in low wage jobs that is unrelated to them, and thats wrong. and this outsourcing is spreading. to accounting, to even the medical profession.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

to the ron paul supporters. what happend in michigan? Muslims, account for 800,000 of the state's population, yet paul onl scored 6% or 45,000 votes! and dont give some nonsense about vote fraud either. an overwhelming majority of muslims who live in michigan are arab-american, yet where were they for ron paul?

[PhDGirl]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

to the ron paul supporters. what happend in michigan? Muslims, account for 800,000 of the state's population, yet paul onl scored 6% or 45,000 votes! and dont give some nonsense about vote fraud either. an overwhelming majority of muslims who live in michigan are arab-american, yet where were they for ron paul?

Well, not all of the Muslims necessarily voted for him.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by PhDGirl

Well, not all of the Muslims necessarily voted for him.

i think since barack obama is going to win my home state, he's our senator after all, i think i will vote for ron paul in the primary just to help give him a boost on the repug side.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by PhDGirl

Actually, that already happens to some extent. But, the major driver of health care costs in the United States isn't physician compensation anyway, so even if that trend continues, it is unlikely to have much of an impact on insurance premiums or change the cost structure.

I totally agree with you about healthcare costs. Also, changes in physician compensation are not connected to the presence of IMGs or their numbers, since foreigners have to go through American residency programs just like American grads, and the number of available residency spots is regulated (to some extent). The idea that millions of indian doctors are going to come all of a sudden and destroy the livelihoods of American ones through simple supply and demand is just a silly fantasy. Income for physicians is mostly based on congressional bills regarding medicare and on regional healthcare economies

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