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Well then, how do you envision it to work? After all, elections only happen ever so often, what do you do in the meantime?
No, I was just replying "no" to your post in general. By which I mean I was willing it into non-existence.
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Is it just me or do Jinnz and Z have the same debate about voting every few pages?
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Is it just me or do Jinnz and Z have the same debate about voting every few pages?
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No, I was just replying "no" to your post in general. By which I mean I was willing it into non-existence.
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after contemplating over whether to vote and whether to be lazy and not register and be lazy again on election day and not vote, and standing at the post office for over 10 minutes wondering if i should hand in that form..... i did. so im a registered voter that procrastinated until the last day 2 hours before the post office closes but hey, i registered!

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At the college we had people handing out registration forms. I'm grateful that they were there, because I'm not trusting of the snail mail getting there on time.
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Firstly, which laws?

Secondly, how does voting shape the laws? Isn't writing legislation done primarily by lawyers or people who are in contact with politicians? That requires organizations and institutions that are able to do so which require expertise and money.

The paradox of participating in American democracy in a meaningful manner is that its essentially elitist.
Why you always gotta jump on everyone's back all the time? Stop being so quick to start debates and disagreements all the time, don't you have anything better to do at all?
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Why you always gotta jump on everyone's back all the time? Stop being so quick to start debates and disagreements all the time, don't you have anything better to do at all?
he doesn't. he's on vacation. :jealous hater: !!!!!!!!!!
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Why you always gotta jump on everyone's back all the time? Stop being so quick to start debates and disagreements all the time, don't you have anything better to do at all?
This is an internet forum. Its designed so people engage in discussions. If you don't like discussing things, then get off the forum. If you don't have anything better to do, why are you spending so much of your time on this forum, constantly picking to type in blue font and making posts? Whats the moral or economic value of your posts? Is your blue font going to rally the stock market?

In terms of this discussion, its an important one to have and Zaki and I have discussions like this all the time. Which is why we're both single and gay. (well at least I am).
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The Impeachment Hearing Room: McCain/Palin Desperate, Disturbed and Dangerous!

I have really disagreed with columnist Frank Rich over the last couple of years when he declared that the Christian Right and the Bush administration were "over". But I think his perceptions about Sarah Palin in the debate Thursday night are on to something about her steely appetite for power.

"The standard take has it that she's either speaking utter ignorant gibberish (as to Couric) or reciting highly polished, campaign-written sound bites that she's memorized (as at the convention and the debate). But there's a steady unnerving undertone to Palin's utterances, a consistent message of hubristic self-confidence and hyper-ambition. She wants to be president, she thinks she can be president, she thinks she will be president. And perhaps soon. She often sounds like someone who sees herself as half-a-heartbeat away from the presidency. Or who is seen that way by her own camp, the hard-right G.O.P. base that never liked McCain anyway and views him as, at best, a White House place holder."

I would add that this hubris comes from her belief that she's on a mission from God.

Today, she was at a fundraiser in the Bay Area, where no press was allowed. A couple hundred of us were mostly stuck behind barricades across the street: union members, Obama supporters, women’s' rights activists. Lots in the crowd had really creative, perceptive signs exposing her opposition to evolution, sex education, protection of the environment, and the McCain/Palin support for the war. It was great to meet people there on this list, and many new people!

Here are excerpts of your responses to my request for comments on Palin:

I received a fascinating letter from Deennaa, an indigenous native of Alaska: "Palin opposes tribal sovereignty - which also covers, under the Federal Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA) the right to keep our own children. Where is anyone telling this in national news? She opposes our inherent (and by Federal Law) our rights to our traditional way of feeding ourselves by hunting & fishing - this being called the "Subsistence issue". This Subsistence battle is one of long standing in Alaska government and politics and IS well known in Alaska. Where do we hear of this in national news? She is shown so obscenely in pictures of hunting OUR moose and caribou and is praised for this, yet she is adamantly against the Federal Law that is our protection for the Subsistence way of life we have known for ice ages.

Not only moose & caribou, but her and her husband want to further pollute our beautiful state with gold mining (she’s a gold digger in all senses of the meaning plus) and more sports fishing to take away from the indigenous peoples of Alaska who are in such dire straits out in our villages that if it were not for Subsistence, would suffer malnutrition and more hunger than we already suffer. Our people do not live in the same condition that Sarah Palin does. They do live in Big beautiful lakefront homes near the city hub of Wasilla and Anchorage, Alaska."

Virgil A. wrote, "The assemblies of god is another branch of the radical Pentecost although they account for 2/3 of the Pentecostals. I grew up in a Pentecostal family and I chose to stay out of religion in my adult life. Although I read the bible cover to cover in my early adult life and what I understand is totally different than these fundies interpret it. Sarah Palin as VP is as scary as the last 8 years of **** Cheney."

Regina Purcell sent a link to her blog WomenReportedNow, where she wrote, "A YouTube video shows Republican Vice President nominee Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin being anointed with a protection prayer against witchcraft prior to her victory as governor. Palin filed campaign papers a few months later, in October 2005, and was elected governor the next year. On a visit to the church in June 2008, Palin spoke fondly of the Kenyan pastor and told a group of young missionaries his prayers helped her to become governor."

Melanie Lee wrote in part, "This Palin quote scares me: 'Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and [Obama's] worried that someone won't read them their rights?' Republicans love to deny due process to those they don't like, especially those of a darker hue or different religion. What if someday Palin decides that I'm a terrorist or a criminal?"

Jim Abourezk, the former US Senator who is on our Advisory Board, sent links to Katie Couric's interviews with Palin, where she displayed intentional ignorance on world affairs, and could not name one Supreme Court decision she disagreed with, other than Roe. v. Wade.

More are going up on worldcantwait.org.

I want to say a last word on Palin/McCain's criticisms of Obama for associated with Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and Bill Ayers. Obama has done his own distancing from both men. I thought a lot of what Wright said was "right" about the history of the United States, certainly more true than anything Rev. John Hagee, the Christian fundamentalist nut-case McCain was hanging around with through last spring.

Bill Ayers signed World Can't Wait's Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime in 2005. In the 60's, he tried to stop the war as a leader of the Weather Underground. Federal charges against him were dropped because the federal government didn't want to reveal all the spying done against the anti-war movement. The last time I saw Bill, he was an Obama supporter. But along comes Palin, calling Bill a "terrorist" while she's on the ticket with a war criminal called "hero". Does any Democratic leader ever ask why McCain was in that prison camp in North Vietnam? Because he flew many missions dropping bombs on civilians, and was eventually shot down doing so.

But, hey, according to Palin, "victory is assured in Iraq" because it's part of God's plan.

If it's important to you to have a community of resistance against this whole Bush plan, whoever the president is, send some funds, become a sustainer or a member of World Can't Wait.
Debra Sweet, Director, The World Can't Wait - Drive Out the Bush Regime
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Firstly, which laws?

Secondly, how does voting shape the laws? Isn't writing legislation done primarily by lawyers or people who are in contact with politicians? That requires organizations and institutions that are able to do so which require expertise and money.

The paradox of participating in American democracy in a meaningful manner is that its essentially elitist.
Its possible that you could be right, but not participating (in specifcally the voting system) endangers the right to vote....and thats not something we should take lightly.
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Its possible that you could be right, but not participating (in specifcally the voting system) endangers the right to vote....and thats not something we should take lightly.
Thats kind of a circular argument: we must vote because we'll lose the right to vote? That doesn't explain the value of voting within a fairly undemocratic system, let alone by a minority group divided by race, sectarianism, ethnicity, and class. What would be more meaningful would be for Muslims to focus on the production of law itself and campaign finance, which is how the system actually operates.
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Thats kind of a circular argument: we must vote because we'll lose the right to vote? That doesn't explain the value of voting within a fairly undemocratic system, let alone by a minority group divided by race, sectarianism, ethnicity, and class. What would be more meaningful would be for Muslims to focus on the production of law itself and campaign finance, which is how the system actually operates.
hahahahah yea but were not jews....we dont stick together which results in a lack of income base and so for a least the foreseeable future Muslims will never be able to support a campaign at a financhial level that would make a difference.
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