[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

his view on healthcare would result in the income of doctors increasing by alot, and he's a doctor himself... so its not all bad

you know one thing they have been saying as a possible way to reduce health care costs - is be reducing doctors reimbursments. they get paid way too much, and its something i have been saying for a very long time now. im glad that the politicians are finally taking note of it.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Only registered Democrats can take part in a number of the Feb. 5 contests that are expected to decide the nomination. Non-Democrats are not welcome, for example, in voting in Connecticut, Arizona and in Clinton's home state of New York, potential strongholds for Clinton that each control more nomination delegates than the relative handful from Iowa, New Hampshire and other earlier states.

Another major prize that day is California, where unaffiliated voters will be permitted to participate in the Democratic primary. But some strategists believe California's Latino voters could boost Clinton, who is more popular in that group than Obama.

"That's when you get more into the base of the party, the bread and butter of this party," said Donna Brazile, who managed Democrat Al Gore's 2000 campaign for president.

All told, more than 2,000 delegates will be decided that day, enough to seal the nomination. And by proving her strength, Clinton on Tuesday probably succeeded in calming skittish donors and supporters who had begun to wonder if she could even last until next month's contests.

Obama, who would be the country's first black president, is expected to win the Jan. 26 Democratic primary in South Carolina in which African Americans will make up at least half of the electorate.

Clinton is considered competitive in Nevada, which holds its caucuses on Jan. 19. Moreover, although the influential culinary workers union had been expected to endorse Obama today, strategists in both campaigns believed the group may now hold back.

No longer was Clinton viewed as the most likely candidate to beat a Republican. In the poll, 44% percent said Obama was more likely to win the November election, compared to 35% who said that of Clinton.

And Obama, as he did in Iowa, proved his ability to attract new voters. About one in five voters Tuesday said it was their first time participating in a primary, and a big plurality of those backed Obama.

why am i focusing on this? why not the issues or the candidates position? in all honesty the person i have always liked was john edwards - but i wouldnt vote for him. you know why? because he cant win. he couldnt even win his own home state in the 04' primary. forget the issues, forget what these politicans are saying. they are all liars and crooks. the only thing that i care about is who can beat the repugs in november. do you want to hear the words 'president mccain'? how does 'president romney' sound to you? the guy who bashes Islam day and not. or that war monger mccain who says he would have invaded iraq, regardless if they had wmd's or not. how does 'president guiliani' sound to you? the guy who is using muslims in campaign tv ad's as scare tactics.

This is why it is important that the democrats pick a candidate who CAN BEAT THE REPUGS IN NOVEMBER. and with dozen or so battleground states, it is crucial that the candidate is someone who can capture the independent swing voters in these states. they are crucial to any democratic victory. We know what repugs stand for. anti-muslim bashers, patriot act, using muslims as scapegoats. attacking Muslim lands, and creating war with Muslim lands. Iran is next on thier hit list. destroying the economy, so they have more troops to send off to fight those wars. DESTROYING THE MIDDLE CLASS OF AMERICA. exporting high wage, proffesional jobs to third world countries like INDIA for cheap low wage workers. or worst, importing cheap, low wage workers from INDIA who will work in slave like conditions to do your professional job that you studied hard for, for half the cost and do it with a smile on thier faces, like this one

the party of the rich, the greedy, the corporate elitists. while taxing the poor lower wage wokers, and the middle class america to death to pay for tax cuts for rich wealthy households that have incomes higher than $200k a year. Let the rich pay thier fair share, and give the middle class the tax cut. the middle class will take thier income tax returns and go out and spend it, thus spuring the economy. rich folks dont do that, they stick htier money in the bank, like cheap, stingy misers. thats why the 90's under President bill clinton, saw the highest job growth since ww2. 10 MILLION new jobs, high wage jobs! while today, the candian dollar is worth more than the american dollar! this b.s. 'no child left behind act' which all it does is leave them behind.

Let's face the facts, she is too controversial, too divisive. hillary cant beat the repugs in november. thier attack dogs are just waiting in the wings to sick her with attack ad's day and night in the battleground states, such as ohio and F.L.O.R.I.D.A. and we all remember what happend there in 2000.

if you plan to vote in the primaries, at least the ones being held between now and super tuesday, feb. 5th, the only thing you should be concerned with it, is who can beat the repugs and win in november. everything else is meaningless unless you want to hear the words PRESIDENT MITT ROMNEY.

or

ALL THE HAIL THE CHIEF

PRESIDENT MCCAIN

or

PRESIDENT GUILIANI

that's all i gotta say.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

You mean he wants to end aid to Egypt. You wouldn't be OK with ending US aid to Egypt (which comes at the price of an American puppet running Egypt) in exchange for ending US aid to Israel?

No, of course I wouldnt. Support for Egypt is a sine qua non. I'm Egyptian.

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Did your parents arrive here illegally?

yeah of course, but not all of my relatives did, not all of my countrymen did, and not all of the immigrants in this country that are productively trying to make a better life for themselves did. I tend to be pretty sympathetic to undocumented immigrants because I come from an immigrant background and Ron Paul is by far the most punishing anti-immigrant candidate in the field from either party. Also, I may be wrong but I thought he wanted to end birthright citizenship altogether, not just for the children of illegal immigrants. That means that both of my older siblings would not have been born citizens and depending on the timing I might not have been born a citizen either. And with all things considered, I really wouldnt trust Ron Paul to make it too much easier for these young immigrants to become naturalized. Actually, I'd probably expect the opposite. In any case, he would deny US citizenship to millions of people that are no different from me, and theres no way i could support that.

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Cite a source.. the only thing I've seen is the old newsletter thing, which consisted of statements that weren't written by him.

Anyway, he's not a "perfect" candidate. He's just worlds more palatable than pretty much any of the other idiots.

I dont know, you could be right about the newsletter thing. But then again maybe not, the staff member who wrote them might really have been accurately portraying Ron Paul's views, as staffers are typically instructed to do when they write stuff in other people's name. Sometimes being too accurate is just as bad as making stuff up

anyway, you may find alot thats palatable about him, but besides his view on reducing American support for Israel (which is a sorely needed viewpoint in American politics), I dont think I can find a single thing to support about him. Even in areas where I generally agree with his stances, like being pro-business and pro-doctor, he takes it to an extreme that I cant possibly agree with. The environment isnt as important as stalinist hippies make it out to be, but it still does have some importance. And social security, medicare, medicaid, and welfare do have some value. They keep millions of people alive and out of poverty in this country. These arent just minor things that can be brushed off with a simple "I dont agree with him on every single subject", these are the fundamentals of how American society and government are organized. Ron Paul is too radical

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

you know one thing they have been saying as a possible way to reduce health care costs - is be reducing doctors reimbursments. they get paid way too much, and its something i have been saying for a very long time now. im glad that the politicians are finally taking note of it.

I hear theres a candidate who wants to make an exception to the anti-slavery amendment which would enslave all doctors and make it illegal for women from south asian backgrounds to marry them

[MoonStar]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

Since most posters here live in the states that are holding their primaries on "Super Tuesday", Feb. 5th, They are:

Missouri
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York

yeah I've reminded my family of the date. And made sure we were registered.

MoonStar: "Bro, sign this form to register. And check the Democrat box. You have to vote for Obama next month."

Brother: "Why am I being forced to vote for someone, what if I want to vote for McCain??" (he was kidding).

MoonStar: That's haraam.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

No, of course I wouldnt. Support for Egypt is a sine qua non. I'm Egyptian.

That's fine, but then you should understand that this perspective makes no sense for any non-Egyptian American.

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

yeah of course, but not all of my relatives did, not all of my countrymen did, and not all of the immigrants in this country that are productively trying to make a better life for themselves did. I tend to be pretty sympathetic to undocumented immigrants because I come from an immigrant background and Ron Paul is by far the most punishing anti-immigrant candidate in the field from either party. Also, I may be wrong but I thought he wanted to end birthright citizenship altogether, not just for the children of illegal immigrants. That means that both of my older siblings would not have been born citizens and depending on the timing I might not have been born a citizen either. And with all things considered, I really wouldnt trust Ron Paul to make it too much easier for these young immigrants to become naturalized. Actually, I'd probably expect the opposite. In any case, he would deny US citizenship to millions of people that are no different from me, and theres no way i could support that.

You said "yeah of course" in response to whether your parents arrived here illegally, but your response indicates otherwise.. ?

Anyway, again, there is a bigger picture here than what's good for you and people like you.

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

I dont know, you could be right about the newsletter thing. But then again maybe not, the staff member who wrote them might really have been accurately portraying Ron Paul's views, as staffers are typically instructed to do when they write stuff in other people's name. Sometimes being too accurate is just as bad as making stuff up

The newsletter was unauthorized & he repudiated it.

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

anyway, you may find alot thats palatable about him, but besides his view on reducing American support for Israel (which is a sorely needed viewpoint in American politics), I dont think I can find a single thing to support about him. Even in areas where I generally agree with his stances, like being pro-business and pro-doctor, he takes it to an extreme that I cant possibly agree with. The environment isnt as important as stalinist hippies make it out to be, but it still does have some importance. And social security, medicare, medicaid, and welfare do have some value. They keep millions of people alive and out of poverty in this country. These arent just minor things that can be brushed off with a simple "I dont agree with him on every single subject", these are the fundamentals of how American society and government are organized. Ron Paul is too radical

Here's what I like about Ron Paul -

- Pledges to end foreign entanglement. This doesn't just mean Israel. It means an end to American imperialism as we know it, which would allow truly Islamic states to arise and for the will of the people to be reflected in the leadership of Muslim lands.

- Anti-interference into personal lives of citizens by the federal government - unless their behavior is harming or infringing on the rights of others.

- He approaches the latter half of the previous statement from a socially conservative point of view. His core values aren't that far off from those of most Muslims. Whereas most Muslims have 0 in common with say, Hillary Clinton or Rudy Giuliani's views.

- From a character perspective, he's strongly principled & outspoken.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

That's fine, but then you should understand that this perspective makes no sense for any non-Egyptian American.

The issue of foreign aid is a general one that should be important to all Americans because millions of lives are at stake. The issue of aid to Egypt is probably only of particular importance to Egyptians and to zionists who really hate Egypt. I dont expect non-Egyptian muslim-Americans to care at all about what happens to Egyptians but I dont think I set the bar too high when the issue of foreign aid in its entirety is considered.

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

You said "yeah of course" in response to whether your parents arrived here illegally, but your response indicates otherwise.. ?

how so? In any case, my parents came here legally, not that its any different from coming illegally.

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Anyway, again, there is a bigger picture here than what's good for you and people like you.

true but that bigger picture includes alot of things that you seem to be brushing aside or ignoring, such as Ron Paul's hostility to this nation's social services and safety nets which many millions of people depend on, the importance of foreign aid as i mentioned above, the importance of the United Nations in this world, his views on the healthcare system which would massively expand the rolls of America's uninsured. These are all issues that will effect many tens of millions of Americans, they arent minor or insignificant, they are the core issues that define a society. The fact that they've all been trumped by the idea of mullah omar getting anointed and putting on an emperor's crown and Ron Paul's social conservatism and strong personal principles seems to be a little much, but to each his own. Incidentally I do admire the fact that he has always voted by his principles and has been extremely consistent in all his positions, as radical as they may be. We can count on him to really try to do the stuff he promises to do, should he get elected. It would be some kind of insane ayn rand fetish nightmare but at least we would be able to buy heroin legally at delis to get over our problems

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

The newsletter was unauthorized & he repudiated it.

fair enough

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

The issue of foreign aid is a general one that should be important to all Americans because millions of lives are at stake. The issue of aid to Egypt is probably only of particular importance to Egyptians and to zionists who really hate Egypt. I dont expect non-Egyptian muslim-Americans to care at all about what happens to Egyptians but I dont think I set the bar too high when the issue of foreign aid in its entirety is considered.

I find it puzzling that as an Egyptian citizen and Muslim both, you're comfortable with having an American puppet run Egypt in exchange for a few dollars. Also, how exactly are millions of lives at stake with Egyptian aid? That sounds like hyperbole. Can you give me a breakdown of what % of aid is spent militarily, what % is spent on infrastructure, and what % is spent on things that would actually save people's lives (such as food and water)?

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

how so? In any case, my parents came here legally,

I meant you responded "of course" that your parents came here illegally, but then your answer indicated you came here legally.

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

not that its any different from coming illegally.

That's a dumb thing to say.

Out of curiosity, do you think there is a single other politician running for president that would get up and say "I think people from Middle Eastern countries should be allowed to emigrate to the US legally or illegally, as they please?"

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

true but that bigger picture includes alot of things that you seem to be brushing aside or ignoring, such as Ron Paul's hostility to this nation's social services and safety nets which many millions of people depend on,

Ah, yes, Ron Paul doesn't care about poor people.

Give me a break.

Like many Americans, Ron Paul feels that in American society, it isn't the government's responsibility to feed and clothe its citizens. For one, the government is bad at it. For another, it results in greater government interference in people's lives.

The guy isn't planning on abandoning the poor who rely on social programs. They'd be phased out with more efficient alternatives that would be government-encouraged vs government-managed.

As has been widely discussed in the media (to the extent Ron Paul is discussed in the media, at least), as a doctor, he refused to accept Medicaid/Medicare from indigent patients. Instead, he did the work for free or let them pay it off little by little, as they could. He's also hugely active with charities, and encourages his supporters to be as well (as witnessed by the Charity Tea Party & the various "Charity Bomb" events his campaign has organized).

The guy's personally done more for the disadvantaged with his own hands than any of the other polished cardboard cutouts on the stage. "Ron Paul doesn't care about the poor" simply doesn't fly.

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

The fact that they've all been trumped by the idea of mullah omar getting anointed and putting on an emperor's crown and Ron Paul's social conservatism and strong personal principles seems to be a little much, but to each his own.

Trivializing something in a mocking fashion doesn't make it any less significant objectively. Also, as illustrated above, there's no mutual exclusivity going on here.

BTW, how useful do you think the United Nations is as a governing body when it comes to the actions of any sovereign superpowers?

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

honest to god i really dont care who the dems nominate, as long as they nominate someone who can beat the repugs in november. thats about all i care about at this point, just as i felt back in 04'.

btw, i think ibn murderer is stupid and a moron, just to give him a dose of own medicine.

If only things were that simple today.

[HiJaBi_ShAh]

If I was an American citizen living in USA I'd most probabaly vote for Obama, then again I dont much about the other candidates. I like everything about Obama except for the fact that he wants to turn his concern to al qaeeda/taliban threats in Afghanistan and Pakistan! I don't wana see Pakistan and Afghanistan being invaded and depreived of oxygen like Iraq. He's also a "convert" to Christianity..coming from a Muslim background as his father was a muslim. But that doesnt bother me .

[Sabz]

Originally Posted by HiJaBi_ShAh

If I was an American citizen living in USA I'd most probabaly vote for Obama, then again I dont much about the other candidates. I like everything about Obama except for the fact that he wants to turn his concern to al qaeeda/taliban threats in Afghanistan and Pakistan! I don't wana see Pakistan and Afghanistan being invaded and depreived of oxygen like Iraq. He's also a "convert" to Christianity..coming from a Muslim background as his father was a muslim. But that doesnt bother me .

honey shouldn't u be revising, postong in a politics thread about USA politics wont help you tomorrow :P ahaha

Walaikum as salaam babes
Sabz

[HiJaBi_ShAh]

Originally Posted by Sabz

honey shouldn't u be revising, postong in a politics thread about USA politics wont help you tomorrow :P ahaha

Walaikum as salaam babes
Sabz

Well I AM revising for a politics exam..on uk politics But I DO have an exam on American politics by the end of January so ha!