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Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

for the record, obama is bi-racial and the son of a white mother from kansas and a kenyan father, hence his very african name.

I know...

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Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

salam

i think we already had our primary

ws

PS: Hillary did alot for New York. She brought billions of dollars in federal money to New York City and worked hard on the behalf of all the farmers and city residents in the depressed parts of upstate New York, and has been a big supporter of the revival of Buffalo. I like Obama more than her, but if she wins the nomination I would definitely vote for her out of NY loyalty

maan buffalo my god. i went to buffalo in 1993, to visit the niagra falls with my family, since my uncle was visiting from india and didnt have an open tourist visa and couldnt cross into the canadian border, he could only see it from the american side. buffalo is a dump hole! it reminded me of the dumphole that micheal jackson's hometown of gary, indiana turned into. im glad to hear that efforts have been made to revive that city, because its alot like detroit and gary. very sad indeed.

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Originally Posted by Sugarberry

I think im gonna vote for Hilary.

um your too late! new york state already held thier primary on super tuesday, feb 5th.

now for anyone else in the states remaining, such as texas, ohio, virginia, maryland etc. if your planning on voting for hillary, let me remind you something here.

that evil witch CANNOT BEAT JOHN MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER!

six different polls, thats right SIX DIFFERENT POLLS, show obama beating john mccain in the november general election.
she is the candidate the repugs want to compete againt in november, because they know they can beat her, because the polls show this.

not only that, she is the darling of the isreali establishment! she is the person that the zionists in isreal want to see as prez. jews have voted for her overwhelmingly compared to obama.

do you want to see another four years of repug rule in the white house?

do you want to hear the words 'PRESIDENT JOHN MCCAIN'?

the man who has said he will stay in iraq for 100 years!

the man who favors the patriot act, the man who says instead of giving the guantanamo bay muslims a free and fair trial, who today just said on cnn he favors a tribunal. notice he didnt say that a tribunal means a military court. he didnt use the word military tribunal he just said tribunal.

if your voting for hillary, you may as well vote for john mccain, because your handing him the white house in november.

i dont give two craps about hillary or obama. all i know is that obama can win in november and hillary cant. and im only concerned with a democrat who can beat john mccain in november. if i thought that hillary could beat mccain in november, and the polls showed this, i would vehemently support her, but that isnt what is happening.

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Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

For an example of just how Bush and the neocons have rubbed lots of republicans the wrong way, look no further than my dad. He used to hold republican parties in our home, voted republican in every election since he could vote. Last week I called him up to ask him how he was going to vote, I was SURE he would say Romney, but lo and behold, Obama was the only thing he talked about. I was like Bush and friends, you REALLY screwed up BIG TIME if you got MY DAD to jump the Republican party ship.

alot of republicans are very dissolousioned with the party. i was a republican myself once at one point, i used to listen to rush limbaugh all the time. i voted for bush in 2000! i even got my father to vote for bush too in 2000, my mother on the hand is a hardcore democrat and will never change parties period lol.

but alot of repugs are simply fed up with the neo-cons and the party in itself. look at pat buchanan, he rails against the neo-cons left and right. and he was even commenting on msnbc, where he is an analyst on how barak obam could win the election. he was saying that obama needs to stick to the economy and quit trying to compete with mccain on national security and foreign policy. that's something when you got even pat buchanan rooting for you haha.

even huckabee is doing very good and ill tell you why. many people think its because he is a bible thumper and all the bible thumpers are backing a former preacher. but this isnt really the case. mike huckabee while being a hardcore social convservative, is not a fiscal consverative. he has talked about the poor, and helping the poor. thats how democrat's speak, not repugs.

and i dont believe in reagonomics or supply-side economics. you can look this info up on why its wrong, but look at what it has done to our country. we are once again in the middle of a recession and on the verge of an economic depression, jobs being shipped overseas, and a weak dollar.

robert riech, bill clinton's former secretary of labor, says that we are in a consumer-driven economy. and its only when you give the middle class a tax-cut, they go out and SPEND that money which fuels an economy, and history has shown that they always spend thier extra cash, vs. the rich who simply stick thier money in the bank.

now compare that to the 'fiscal conservatives' who are always spouting about lower taxes - ya for rich people. they keep saying businesses has to drive the economy therefore they need lower taxes to invest that money.

if you have nothing to invest into, your not gonna invest. thats the laws of supply and demand. if there's no demand, no one is going to fill a supply to that.

you know for all the trash talking about bill clinton, after living under the bush reign, and hardcore republican rule, clinton was a good president. he presided over the best economy in 50 years, a budget surplus, the national debt from the reagan years of borrow and spend, was erased. and he created 22 million NEW jobs! i remember back in the 90's, mcdonalds couldnt even find anyone to work there, and they would have huge giant signs sticking out in front that said 'help wanted'. now a day's that isnt the case at all.

[Sugarberry]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

salam

i think we already had our primary

ws

PS: Hillary did alot for New York. She brought billions of dollars in federal money to New York City and worked hard on the behalf of all the farmers and city residents in the depressed parts of upstate New York, and has been a big supporter of the revival of Buffalo. I like Obama more than her, but if she wins the nomination I would definitely vote for her out of NY loyalty

Oh i know i meant if she gets the nomintion for democrats then Ill vote for her.

Originally Posted by Variable

But he's not Muslim. And he's running for president... not 'black president'. I think he knows what color he is, the fact he hasn't been riding that says something positive.

His dad was muslim, and if his father didnt leave the family he woulda been muslim too....read his book it explains all.

Im not saying he should ride it...lord knows we dont need another jesse jackson, but you see how hilary doesnt shy away from the fact that she's woman in her campaign? well I would like Obama not to shy away from his "heritage"

Originally Posted by Jamroll

Also, I'm curious, is "colored" not an offensive term in the US?

its offensive when used in a deragatory manner...and the n-word is way more offensive....I just like to use "colored" cause its sounds funnier hahaha

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Originally Posted by Sugarberry

Im not saying he should ride it...lord knows we dont need another jesse jackson, but you see how hilary doesnt shy away from the fact that she's woman in her campaign? well I would like Obama not to shy away from his "heritage"

obama has to speak the langauge of martin luther king if he wants to win and not speak the language of jessie jackson. i think he is doing a fantastic job by talking about inclusion vs seculsion or focusing only on black politics. anytime a candidate does that, they fail, and lose. because of the language of inclusion that obama speaks, guess what?

he is winning over republican voters, such as chotoomotoo's dad!

there was a term used called 'reagan democrats' we are not witnessing the birth of the obama republican or 'obamacan'.

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Originally Posted by Sugarberry

Im not saying he should ride it...lord knows we dont need another jesse jackson, but you see how hilary doesnt shy away from the fact that she's woman in her campaign? well I would like Obama not to shy away from his "heritage"

If he did, that would be one more reason I wouldn't vote for him, since it's a red-herring, and a non-issue. But, since most of these candidates agree on all the important stuff, I guess vanities are about the only thing left in which they differ.

[Sugarberry]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

If he did, that would be one more reason I wouldn't vote for him, since it's a red-herring, and a non-issue. But, since most of these candidates agree on all the important stuff, I guess vanities are about the only thing left in which they differ.

whats a red-herring?


But you bring up an intresting point,to some race,gender,ethincity dont matter when it comes to voting a political canadate but to me the race,gender,ethinicity matter when it comes to somone I vote for, becasue these things DO influence their position, beliefs, attitudes etc...

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

obama has to speak the langauge of martin luther king if he wants to win and not speak the language of jessie jackson.n'.

I agree .but MLK's hertiage is the main reason why he was so famous.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by Sugarberry

whats a red-herring?

A red herring is something intended to divert attention from the real problem or matter at hand; a misleading clue.

But you bring up an intresting point,to some race,gender,ethincity dont matter when it comes to voting a political canadate but to me the race,gender,ethinicity matter when it comes to somone I vote for, becasue these things DO influence their position, beliefs, attitudes etc...

Their influence is entirely dependent on the individual, just as appearance, fashion and beauty can influence an individual's position, beliefs, attitudes, etc. It's still a vanity, and has no actual importance, except what people attach to it. But, if you want to vote on those vanities, I don't blame you, since that's about the only thing in which they differ on.

I on the other hand, choose to vote on real issues, like foreign policy, domestic policy and the economy. That's why I intend to vote for Ron Paul (provided he's still there when they get to Maryland), since he's the only candidate I agree with the most on those issues. If he's no longer there, then I don't intend to vote at all in the primaries, and come November, I plan on voting for Nader again, since I agree with him. After that, I'm going to be apathetic again inshallah.

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Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

LOLL the irony is this paper is published outta new york city haha. i only read the headline, and that was a toughy in itself. especially making out the name hillary clinton, when i pronounced it out slooooowly, it sounded hallary cleentown LOL. i didnt real the whole thing though since im self-taught and i can only read urdu on a 6th grade level, but im gonna look for that mistake.

but i just finished the paragraph, lol ya in the last line they call him mike mccain lol.

and how about mike "ho ka bee"

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On the Net:

AP-IpsosResults.com

Obama narrowly leads McCain in AP poll

By ALAN FRAM and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 52 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Democrat Barack Obama would narrowly defeat Republican John McCain if they were matched today in the presidential election, while McCain and Hillary Rodham Clinton are running about even, according to new general-election sentiment since the Super Tuesday contests.

Obama outpaces Clinton in a matchup against McCain among men, minorities and moderates in an Associated Press-Ipsos poll released Monday. And she does no better than Obama when pitted against McCain among two groups that have supported her in Democratic primaries so far: women and whites.

Recent primaries and Mitt Romney's departure from the Republican race have made McCain the heavy favorite to win the GOP presidential nomination. Clinton and Obama are locked in a Democratic battle that may take weeks or even months to resolve.

When she is paired against McCain in a general election matchup, she gets 46 percent to his 45 percent, a tie, according to the poll. Obama edges McCain, the Arizona senator, 48 percent to 42 percent in their pairing.

"We bring in voters who haven't given Democrats a chance" in the past, said Obama pollster Cornell Belcher, citing the Illinois senator's support from independents and other groups.

Mark Penn, Clinton's chief strategist, spoke of her backing from women and Hispanics and said, "Hillary Clinton has a coalition of voters well-suited to winning the general election."

One reason McCain holds his own against Clinton is his support from men, who prefer him to the New York senator by 9 percentage points. That compensates for her 11-point advantage among women.

Obama does better than Clinton with men when paired against McCain, splitting the male vote with the Arizona senator. Obama does especially well with men under 45: He defeats McCain by 9 points among younger men, while McCain defeats Clinton with those voters by 7 points.

Meanwhile, Obama's advantage over McCain among women is about the same as Clinton's, blunting her edge in a group that has been the core of her strength in her fight for the Democratic nomination. Women favor Obama over McCain by 12 points, and favor Clinton over McCain by 11.

Obama gets 74 percent of the votes of minorities when paired against McCain, 7 points more than Clinton. Echoing a pattern seen in most Democratic primaries so far, Obama does better than Clinton among blacks, while she attracts slightly more support from Hispanics.

Yet among whites, who have preferred Clinton to Obama in most Democratic contests this year, she has no advantage when each is paired against McCain. Both get 37 percent of whites' backing, trailing McCain substantially.

Obama slightly outdoes Clinton against McCain among moderates, a group that comprised almost half the voters in the 2004 general election and that both parties will contest fiercely in November's general elections. Obama gets 51 percent of their votes against McCain, compared with Clinton's 45 percent.

While Obama has done better than Clinton among independents in their fight for the Democratic nomination, that advantage does not show up when each is pitted against McCain. Each Democrat gets four in 10 independent votes to McCain's one-third with those voters, who will be a major target of both parties' campaigns this fall.

In a finding that underscores both McCain's cross-party appeal and the bitterness of the fight for the Democratic nomination, about one-third of Obama's supporters picked McCain when asked their preference in a Clinton-McCain general election matchup. Nearly three in 10 Clinton backers said they would vote for McCain over Obama.

In the fight for their party's nomination, Clinton has a 46 percent to 41 percent edge over Obama, the Illinois senator. That represents virtually no change from last month but a significant tightening since last year, when the New York senator led comfortably in most surveys.

The poll showed that Clinton's support from whites for the nomination grew faster than Obama's, leaving her with a 47 percent to 36 percent edge over him with those voters.

White women overwhelmingly favor Clinton while white men are split evenly between the two Democrats. And an age differential persists: Clinton wins older women overall, while Obama gets younger men.

In the Republican race, McCain is well ahead of former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, 44 percent to 30 percent. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, has 9 percent.

McCain has won more state GOP contests that Huckabee and is far ahead in the fight for delegates who will pick the Republican nominee. Even so, the poll illustrates that McCain will have to improve his standing within his own party if he is to count on solid GOP support in November.

McCain failed to win support from half of Republicans polled in the GOP race, showing he has yet to emerge as a clear-cut favorite among his party's rank-and-file. In addition, he was backed by only three in 10 white evangelical and born again Christians and just four in 10 conservatives — pivotal parts of the GOP.

The survey was conducted from Feb. 7-10 and involved telephone interviews with 1,029 adults. It had an overall margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

Included were 520 Democrats, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 4.3 points, and 357 Republicans, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5.2 points.

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AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius and AP writer Ann Sanner contributed to this report.

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Originally Posted by Kaminyu

A red herring is something intended to divert attention from the real problem or matter at hand; a misleading clue.



Their influence is entirely dependent on the individual, just as appearance, fashion and beauty can influence an individual's position, beliefs, attitudes, etc. It's still a vanity, and has no actual importance, except what people attach to it. But, if you want to vote on those vanities, I don't blame you, since that's about the only thing in which they differ on.

I on the other hand, choose to vote on real issues, like foreign policy, domestic policy and the economy. That's why I intend to vote for Ron Paul (provided he's still there when they get to Maryland), since he's the only candidate I agree with the most on those issues. If he's no longer there, then I don't intend to vote at all in the primaries, and come November, I plan on voting for Nader again, since I agree with him. After that, I'm going to be apathetic again inshallah.

you clearly care nothing about domestic issues or the economy. your only concerned with isreal and nothing else. like there are not other pressing issues in the Muslim world, that most arabs, as usual, could care less about.

the fact most arab's are nothing more than ethno-centric bigots and racists. who refer to black people as 'abid' meaning slave, and think anyone darker than they are, such as south asians, are beneath them.

as one arab told me once, who hates this ethno-centric b.s., he said how his uncle firmly believes that Islam is only for the arab's and no one else.

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Originally Posted by Sugarberry

whats a red-herring?


But you bring up an intresting point,to some race,gender,ethincity dont matter when it comes to voting a political canadate but to me the race,gender,ethinicity matter when it comes to somone I vote for, becasue these things DO influence their position, beliefs, attitudes etc...




I agree .but MLK's hertiage is the main reason why he was so famous.

obama is half black, half african on top of it, what more do you want?

and MLK is famous for obvious reason's, and why he is accepted more is because he believed in race relations, and not the politics of racial divisions and race baiting.

it's that main reason why so many latino voter's are having trouble trusting obama.