[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

That's easy. I'm not part of the group of people that supported Guiliani, or is supporting McCain. I also know when 911 happened, unlike these people.

arrogant as well as silly.

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

He's actually doing quite well, considering what he's up against. Unfortunately for you, "Opus Dei" and the "Brotherhood of Nod" have no role to fill here, unless of course, you're referring to the MSM and those involved in counting and processing the votes, as we've seen in Sutton, NH.

Oh yeah, hes doing extremely well with less than 1/10 the number of delegates as the top republican candidate or the second and less than 1/5 of the third, and less than 1/20th of the total. Incredible success.

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

We can judge how well the candidates are doing by the straw polls and exit polls. The credibility of the actual results should be measured by those.

no theyre judged by votes but the polls arent exactly kind to him

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

Your sarcasm never ceases to amaze me. If only it were properly informed. Can you name me 1 fascist state in history, that came to an end peacefully?

well, unlike properly informed people i know that fascist governments ruled spain and portugal and heavily fascist-influenced governments ruled practically every major country in Latin America and they all fell peacefully. But i'm sure if I was properly informed I would believe that not only has fascism never fallen peacefully, but that America is a fascist country, and that loyalists of Ron Paul are going to overthrow the fascist dictator of the United States and install Dr Paul as Immortal Sovereign

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

Americans are not stupid people

Are you being serious?

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Are you being serious?

of course. Intellect is relative, i know, but I've never seen all the smug Ron Paul supporters show themselves to be any smarter than any other average Americans. The fact that so many of them claim to possess occult knowledge and insight into conspiracies that elude the faculties of all other normal manipulated Americans doesnt jive with that.

I dont mean to pick only on them, most adherents to fringe ideas tend to believe that they are members of some elite clique and everyone else are a bunch of stupid idiots or brainwashed drones. Its understandable since the only other alternative is that other people have normal, reasonable views and they are the ones clinging to a fringe belief system or ideology or religious sect or whatever.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

arrogant as well as silly.

The question itself was silly, as it's relative to the subject matter. Overall, nobody in the world is 100% stupid, they just think and do stupid things, some a lot more than others.

Oh yeah, hes doing extremely well with less than 1/10 the number of delegates as the top republican candidate or the second and less than 1/5 of the third, and less than 1/20th of the total. Incredible success.

I was actually referring to his popularity among people.

no theyre judged by votes but the polls arent exactly kind to him

The validity of those votes are questionable, that's why the poll data is important.

well, unlike properly informed people i know that fascist governments ruled spain and portugal and heavily fascist-influenced governments ruled practically every major country in Latin America and they all fell peacefully.

I said fascist governments, not fascist-influenced ones. I'm talking about dictatorships that are obsessed with power and control, against the will of the people. Obviously, the ones in Spain, Portugal and Latin America were not, otherwise, they could not have to come to an end peacefully.

But i'm sure if I was properly informed I would believe that not only has fascism never fallen peacefully, but that America is a fascist country, and that loyalists of Ron Paul are going to overthrow the fascist dictator of the United States and install Dr Paul as Immortal Sovereign

The US government is heading in the direction of one, as it seeks to silence popular dissent and take away people's rights. A government that wants to do that, is, by definition, fascist. How desperate they are to hold onto this power and control, is obviously going to determine how much force is going to be needed to remove it from them when the time comes.

This isn't about Dr. Paul, this is about the policies he promotes, and the fact that he actually knows what he's talking about. That's why people who value their constitutional rights, freedoms and liberties, as well as oppose the war and the debt-ridden economy, like him. A good deal of his supporters already had the same views as he has, before he even started campaigning. So for a lot of them, he's just the personification of what they've wanted in a president for a long time; a constitutionist, not owned by corporate interests.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

of course. Intellect is relative, i know, but I've never seen all the smug Ron Paul supporters show themselves to be any smarter than any other average Americans. The fact that so many of them claim to possess occult knowledge and insight into conspiracies that elude the faculties of all other normal manipulated Americans doesnt jive with that.

I dont mean to pick only on them, most adherents to fringe ideas tend to believe that they are members of some elite clique and everyone else are a bunch of stupid idiots or brainwashed drones. Its understandable since the only other alternative is that other people have normal, reasonable views and they are the ones clinging to a fringe belief system or ideology or religious sect or whatever.

your views on americans are limited to the north-east, specicically nyc, which is hardly representative of the entire united states. in fact if a yankee like you were ever to go down to the south, you would feel like you are in a diferent world. what you fail to understand is that there are two america's, one blue state, one red state. its these same stupid hilliblly americans who re-elected dubya. so dont tell me 'americans are not stupid',because america is a huge and vastly different country with different regions that hold different ethos and values than the ones held in your own city. what plays in the stix, may not play in the big cities, and vice versa.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Clinton, Obama in dead heat ahead of big vote

By David Wiessler
1 hour, 53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were locked in a near dead heat two days before the biggest presidential voting so far while John McCain tried to nail down the Republican nomination for the White House.

With 24 states holding nominating contests on Tuesday, the candidates spent their Sundays appearing on the morning television talk shows and campaigning across the country as polls showed the two races going in opposite directions.

The Democratic race, which Clinton once led handily, had narrowed to a nearly a draw in recent national polls.

Obama held a slight lead in California and was virtually tied with Clinton in New Jersey and Missouri -- three states voting on "Super Tuesday" -- in a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Sunday.

While the two people seeking to be the Democratic choice were vying to win the most delegates needed for nomination, they also were making the argument of being the most electable candidate to face McCain in the November election.

"I have been through these Republican attacks over and over and over again and I believe that I've demonstrated that, much to the dismay of the Republicans, I not only can survive, but thrive," Clinton said on ABC's "This Week."

Clinton, the New York senator who was a major target of conservatives while first lady during President Bill Clinton's terms in office, said her record was well known and she had already weathered heated attacks while Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, was still an unknown quantity.

"I think I can get some votes that Senator Clinton cannot get," Obama, who would be the first black president, said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "That broadens the political map. I think it bodes well for the election."

"I'm always pleased to have so much attention from the nominees -- or the two contenders for the Democratic nomination," McCain said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

PLENTY AT STAKE

Even with half the Democratic national convention delegates at stake and more than 40 percent of the Republican, no candidate could clinch the nomination on Tuesday but a big vote across the board could go a long way toward that goal.

McCain, an Arizona senator, held a 2-to-1 margin in a new national Washington Post-ABC poll. In the Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll, McCain held double-digit leads in New York, New Jersey and Missouri but narrowly trails former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in California, the biggest prize on "Super Tuesday."

In an effort to embarrass Romney in the state he once served as governor, McCain was in Massachusetts on Sunday to watch the local football team, the New England Patriots, play in the Super Bowl.

But even as his lead in the polls widened and a big win on Tuesday could sew up the nomination for him, McCain still faced questions from one section of the party over whether he was conservative enough.

Romney hit that theme and pointed to a large turnout in Maine on Saturday that gave him a victory there as evidence conservatives were giving McCain another look.

But McCain pointed to a number of prominent Republican conservatives who were supporting him.

"I'm very happy with where we are," he said. "I know that Tuesday is going to be hotly contested ... And I'm pleased at the gathering support from all parts of the party that we're gaining."

One of the problems facing Romney on Super Tuesday is that he is competing for conservative votes along with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. Huckabee said Romney should recognize him as the true conservative and get out of the race.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

since most people live in states where the voting is going to be dead tight in the democratic primary, not only does your vote really count, i strongly suggest you pick someone who you think can best beat the repugs in november. and im telling you right now - hillary aint it. she is the candidate the repugs want to compete with in november, because they have experience dealing with her. obama is thier nightmare. now having said that, the fact that john mccain is a long term serving senator will hurt him bad. senators generally dont win elections because thier 'flip-flopping' senate votes come back to haunt them.

but for the folks in IL, just go ahead and vote ron paul, because obama is going to win IL hands down.

and again, if you are a united states citizen living overseas, you can vote on super tuesday's primary.

and to the feminazis reading this, all you baby-killing abortionists, dont think that just because a woman is running for the white house, that ALL the women voters in america are going to vote for her. obama has proven that this is a total farce, and that's only in the democratic primary, let alone in a national general election.

people are fed up with left-wing radical feminization of america, and that includes plenty of american women too.

hillary's 1992 campaign comment will come back to haunt her, that had so many housewives across america up in arms and offended, "i suppose i could be stay at home and bake pies like tammy wynett (country singer) and stand by your man". (her famous country song)

the problem with you people, is that you are so brainwashed by the feminazi media, and the left-wing propoganda spewed out by man-hating sociology professors, you actually believe that your ideology is representative of america at large and that it is somehow 'mainstream'. and thast the biggest laughable joke of it all. no wonder you seem to be shocked by my comments (phdgirl) because someone has the audacity to show you the other side of this political debate. how dare a 'lowly' man has the audacity to do that! and dont think for a second that we dont know thats whats going on in your head.

one girl on this website has a tagline that reads 'be a man and grow a beard' i say be a woman and grow your hair long and quit looking like a lesbian feminazi!

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Poll: McCain, Clinton lead nationally

By The Associated Press
27 minutes ago

THE RACE: The presidential race for Democrats, Republicans nationally (Pew Research Center)
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THE NUMBERS - DEMOCRATS

Hillary Rodham Clinton, 46 percent

Barack Obama, 38 percent

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THE NUMBERS - REPUBLICANS

John McCain, 42 percent

Mitt Romney, 22 percent

Mike Huckabee, 20 percent

Ron Paul, 5 percent

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OF INTEREST:

Although Clinton's support has not changed in recent weeks, Obama has cut her lead in half. She was 15 points ahead in mid-January, compared to 8 percentage points now. But the number of undecided Democrats also increased during the period, to 15 percent from 6 percent. McCain also has seen sharp gains since the middle of last month. He is up 13 percentage points with roughly twice the support of Romney or Huckabee.

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This Pew Research Center for the People & the Press poll was based in telephone interviews conducted from Jan. 30-Feb. 2 among a nationwide sample of 1,502 adults. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points total and among registered voters; plus or minus 4.5 percentage points for Democrats and Democratic-leaning registered voters; and plus or minus 5 percentage points for Republicans or Republican-leaning registered voters.

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COMPLETE RESULTS: The Pew Research Center for the People & the Press

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THE RACE: The presidential race for Democrats, Republicans nationally (Washington Post-ABC News)

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THE NUMBERS - DEMOCRATS

Hillary Rodham Clinton, 47 percent

Barack Obama, 43 percent

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THE NUMBERS - REPUBLICANS

John McCain, 48 percent

Mitt Romney, 24 percent

Mike Huckabee, 16 percent

Ron Paul, 7 percent

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OF INTEREST:

Clinton's statistically insignificant lead over Obama hasn't changed in three weeks. McCain, on the other hand, has taken a dominating lead over his Republican rivals following his victories in the South Carolina and Florida primaries and the departures of Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson from the campaign.

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This Washington Post-ABC News poll is based on telephone interviews conducted from Jan. 30-Feb. 1 among a random national sample of 1,249 adults. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 4 percentage points for Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, and plus or minus 5 percentage points for Republicans and GOP-leaning independents.

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COMPLETE RESULTS: washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

The question itself was silly, as it's relative to the subject matter. Overall, nobody in the world is 100% stupid, they just think and do stupid things, some a lot more than others.



I was actually referring to his popularity among people.



The validity of those votes are questionable, that's why the poll data is important.



I said fascist governments, not fascist-influenced ones. I'm talking about dictatorships that are obsessed with power and control, against the will of the people. Obviously, the ones in Spain, Portugal and Latin America were not, otherwise, they could not have to come to an end peacefully.



The US government is heading in the direction of one, as it seeks to silence popular dissent and take away people's rights. A government that wants to do that, is, by definition, fascist. How desperate they are to hold onto this power and control, is obviously going to determine how much force is going to be needed to remove it from them when the time comes.

This isn't about Dr. Paul, this is about the policies he promotes, and the fact that he actually knows what he's talking about. That's why people who value their constitutional rights, freedoms and liberties, as well as oppose the war and the debt-ridden economy, like him. A good deal of his supporters already had the same views as he has, before he even started campaigning. So for a lot of them, he's just the personification of what they've wanted in a president for a long time; a constitutionist, not owned by corporate interests.

Salam

I'm gonna ignore most of your post but I just wanted to mention that Francisco Franco was a fascist, so were the leaders of Portugal, so were the right wing leaders of most major Latin American countries at some point. Also there were fascist and pseudo-fascist governments in various other countries

And I stand corrected, you dont think the revolutionaries will overthrow the US government and install Ron Paul at the point of a gun, rather they will overthrow the US government and install somebody like Ron Paul at the point of a gun

ws

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

your views on americans are limited to the north-east, specicically nyc, which is hardly representative of the entire united states. in fact if a yankee like you were ever to go down to the south, you would feel like you are in a diferent world. what you fail to understand is that there are two america's, one blue state, one red state. its these same stupid hilliblly americans who re-elected dubya. so dont tell me 'americans are not stupid',because america is a huge and vastly different country with different regions that hold different ethos and values than the ones held in your own city. what plays in the stix, may not play in the big cities, and vice versa.

salam

dude i've been to the south many times

ws

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

I'm gonna ignore most of your post

No surprise there.

but I just wanted to mention that Francisco Franco was a fascist, so were the leaders of Portugal, so were the right wing leaders of most major Latin American countries at some point. Also there were fascist and pseudo-fascist governments in various other countries

Yeah, and how many of them were obsessed with power and control, against the will of their own people? And how many of those ended peacefully?

And I stand corrected, you dont think the revolutionaries will overthrow the US government and install Ron Paul at the point of a gun, rather they will overthrow the US government and install somebody like Ron Paul at the point of a gun

I honestly don't know what they'd do, as those kinds of revolutions don't always go the way you'd expect them to. That's why it's better to avoid it.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

Yeah, and how many of them were obsessed with power and control, against the will of their own people? And how many of those ended peacefully?

all of them

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

all of them

Then none of them were really obsessed with power and control, otherwise they would've fought against any attempt at removing them from power.