[MossadConspiracy]

Even without Cigarette Smoking Man after him, Ron Paul would not have a chance.

[vegetables]

Why do people keep on insisting that Ron Paul is an isolationist? There is a huge difference between an isolationist and a non-interventionist...

He doesn't want to keep on giving economic support to these dictators and other countries who can take care of themselves... Theres no reason why we should have to borrow money from China on interest and turn around and give it to Musharraf.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

Even without Cigarette Smoking Man after him, Ron Paul would not have a chance.

On the contrary, he would have a good chance in a fair, honest election.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

On the contrary, he would have a good chance in a fair, honest election.

A good chance to get 15% of republican votes in Texas, if he's very lucky

[Blue_Phoenix]

Rudy said he would rethink his campaign if he lost Florida. He lost Florida. What's up?

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Blue_Phoenix

Rudy said he would rethink his campaign if he lost Florida. He lost Florida. What's up?

he didnt quit?

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

A good chance to get 15% of republican votes in Texas, if he's very lucky

No, a good chance to win the nomination, provided the primaries are fair and honest (which they are not).

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

No, a good chance to win the nomination, provided the primaries are fair and honest (which they are not).

no, a candidate can win the nomination while being dismissed by the media and the other candidates and the party establishment. It has happened before, in the recent past. All it takes is a good platform and a campaign style that endears the candidate to voters, and ron paul has neither. So even without the media dismissing him for being crazy and extraterrestrials conspiring to crush him and kidnap his family, he would still lose.

Americans are not stupid people

ws

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by sak01

Which candidate was that? And did they win without equal airtime?

it was bill clinton and he certainly did get equal airtime after he proved himself by winning primaries. loser candidates who dont earn votes arent going to get equal airtime.

you dont hear Mike Gravel, Chris Dodd, Duncan Hunter, Dennis Kucinich and other losers like that complaining about secret conspiracies out to destroy them. Ron Paul is in the same category as those guys, I dont know why his supporters are whining so much

ws

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by sak01

Was that when they coined the phrase 'comeback kid' after he won the second or third early primary? But did he get equal airtime leading up to the primaries?

to answer your questions, yes and i dont know

Originally Posted by sak01

And why is it that Giuliani who has done disastrously (2 delegates to 6 for RP) gets so much more focus and attention from the media? Why did they consider him to be a viable candidate and RP not to be?


I know Giuliani did well in polls last summer but it's been a downslide ever since for him. But even if they make their decisions on polls, RP has been making a killing on online polls. If they base it on funds then he was well ahead of all of them in Q4 fundraising suggesting a groundswell in grass roots support.

because giuliani was a national celebrity, had a national following, led the polls at one point, etc. His fall is an interesting story because of where he was before the fall. The fact that Ron Paul is getting 5-10% of the vote in most of the primaries is not noteworthy because this is what was expected of him. Its a story that Giuliani is doing so poorly since he was expected to be one of the top 2 or 3 candidates on the republican side

Originally Posted by sak01

I don't support RP (hey I'm a brit anyway) but it seems that the media has made an active decision to exclude a candidate from the public eye and it seems to have nothing to do with 'unelectability'

conspiracy theories are just explanations by losers who dont want to admit that they're losers. Or in the realm of politics, theyre a way to evade the real point- that the public is not interested in one's ideas. I disagree with Pat Buchanan on alot, but at least he is honest and has some courage, and admits that Americans dont like what he has to offer, rather than blaming it on some nonsense shadowy conspiracy

ws

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

no, a candidate can win the nomination while being dismissed by the media and the other candidates and the party establishment. It has happened before, in the recent past. All it takes is a good platform and a campaign style that endears the candidate to voters, and ron paul has neither. So even without the media dismissing him for being crazy and extraterrestrials conspiring to crush him and kidnap his family, he would still lose.

Ron Paul has both. The problem he has, is that people don't know enough about him, and the election process is dishonest and working against him. You and I both know, that the people who vote decide nothing. It is the people who count the votes that decide everything.

That's why we're going to get another war-mongering Zionist Neo-con for president to further transform the US into a fascist state, and start more wars that nobody wants. That's also why a violent revolution is going to become inevitable.

Americans are not stupid people

Some are.

[MossadConspiracy]

people do know about him. People who vote in primaries are politically motivated and can read. His positions are very widely available.

Its interesting how so many Ron Paul followers assume that everybody else is so stupid that they cant even read a pamphlet or a website or a flyer.

And if you want to assume that some Americans are stupid, thats fine, but then you have to justify your own exclusion from that group.

Anyway, we'll never know whether or not Ron Paul would win an election in which Opus Dei and the Brotherhood of Nod werent conspiring against him, because all we have to judge is how he fared in this election (terribly). I'm sure when the revolution comes, Ron Paul's supporters will install him as Chairman at the point of a gun

ws

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Originally Posted by Kaminyu

Ron Paul has both. The problem he has, is that people don't know enough about him, and the election process is dishonest and working against him. You and I both know, that the people who vote decide nothing. It is the people who count the votes that decide everything.

That's why we're going to get another war-mongering Zionist Neo-con for president to further transform the US into a fascist state, and start more wars that nobody wants. That's also why a violent revolution is going to become inevitable.

You're presenting your own subjective views on things as objective facts.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

people do know about him. People who vote in primaries are politically motivated and can read. His positions are very widely available.

Its interesting how so many Ron Paul followers assume that everybody else is so stupid that they cant even read a pamphlet or a website or a flyer.

And if you want to assume that some Americans are stupid, thats fine, but then you have to justify your own exclusion from that group.

That's easy. I'm not part of the group of people that supported Guiliani, or is supporting McCain. I also know when 911 happened, unlike these people.

Anyway, we'll never know whether or not Ron Paul would win an election in which Opus Dei and the Brotherhood of Nod werent conspiring against him, because all we have to judge is how he fared in this election (terribly).

He's actually doing quite well, considering what he's up against. Unfortunately for you, "Opus Dei" and the "Brotherhood of Nod" have no role to fill here, unless of course, you're referring to the MSM and those involved in counting and processing the votes, as we've seen in Sutton, NH.

We can judge how well the candidates are doing by the straw polls and exit polls. The credibility of the actual results should be measured by those.

I'm sure when the revolution comes, Ron Paul's supporters will install him as Chairman at the point of a gun

Your sarcasm never ceases to amaze me. If only it were properly informed. Can you name me 1 fascist state in history, that came to an end peacefully?