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Originally Posted by zakk

Does anyone else get the impression that Edwards is totally kissing up to Hillary? He sooooo wants to be vice president.

everyone knows he is running for vp, its the only reason why he is still in the race. i think a hillary-obama ticket would send a death nail to the repugs. which is why i dont like the way they are getting nasty with each other right now in the primaries.

yes people do want change. which is why bobby jindal, a frickin desi, won the louisiana governorship.

[penpusher]

I will be voting for Obama.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by penpusher

I will be voting for Obama.

Obama is better than Clinton, but the only candidate who is actually offering any real change is Ron Paul. I don't know why normal people wouldn't want to vote for honest money, less taxes, and an end to war. I guess people don't care to vote on real solutions to real issues anymore, just vanities.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

yes people do want change. which is why bobby jindal, a frickin desi, won the louisiana governorship.

bobby jindal is a christian convert and a neo-con republican. he's about as 'desi' as tom tancredo.

[Resay112]

I dont know if this has been posted or not...
Ron Paul during the New Hampshire debates. Few of his policies are a bit strange and out there but it's good to see how he stood up for himself and backed everything up.
the only annoying part was seeing mccain and guiliani laughing at him. probably because they were embarassed and knew he was right.
ps ive never liked those two even before watching this video. specially mcain, he looks like such a haram ka chor.

http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?token=6e0_1199638835

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by Resay112

I dont know if this has been posted or not...
Ron Paul during the New Hampshire debates. Few of his policies are a bit strange and out there but it's good to see how he stood up for himself and backed everything up.
the only annoying part was seeing mccain and guiliani laughing at him. probably because they were embarassed and knew he was right.
ps ive never liked those two even before watching this video. specially mcain, he looks like such a haram ka chor.

http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?token=6e0_1199638835

His policies are just revolutionary in today's world, that's why they seem strange and "out there". This is why I said he's the only candidate offering real change.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Resay112

I dont know if this has been posted or not...
Ron Paul during the New Hampshire debates. Few of his policies are a bit strange and out there but it's good to see how he stood up for himself and backed everything up.
the only annoying part was seeing mccain and guiliani laughing at him. probably because they were embarassed and knew he was right.
ps ive never liked those two even before watching this video. specially mcain, he looks like such a haram ka chor.

http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?token=6e0_1199638835

Ron Paul has beaten Giuliani in every primary so far. So I don't know what Giuliani thinks is so funny.

Giuliani is really a grade A douchebag. I can't stand him.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Giuliani is really a grade A douchebag. I can't stand him.

Uh oh, you better hope the mob can't track you...

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Uh oh, you better hope the mob can't track you...

One of the things I hate most about the guy is that he was a gung-ho prosecutor/"moral crusader" making his name on big mob cases with the Gambinos & Genovese family in the 80s. That was how he launched himself into politics.

Then once he gets into office, questionable ties and practices abound.

Having said that, I don't think he has any intentional mob ties, just more like a friend-of-a-friend-knows-a-connected-guy-which-helps-my-company-get-this-contract type of thing. No mob guy would deal with Giuliani on a direct basis; Giuliani isn't that stupid and the mob hates him anyway. A couple notable figures actually wanted him dead in the 80s.

[Kaminyu]

Know Before You Vote

[Resay112]

he really is a douchebag. whats worse is how every single time he has to bring up how "'my' city was attacked".
and the reason he really gives for US being attacked is that al-qaeda hate that we have freedom of religion and freedom for women and freedom to vote... are you kidding me?! like that mentality works on the ignorant citizen who really doesnt give much a damn on whats happening in the world and 9/11 is the most international news they will ever watch. which in todays world in 2008 is not the case. when guiliani says stuff like that its really a joke, because even if they claim al-qaeda did the attack, there was never a point where they hated on the freedom, the supposed letters or videos from bin laden he doesnt even say that. ron paul made it clear on whats on the 9/11 commission report and when that is brought up to attention, guiliiani's campaign was just pissed that they were asked to read a report that came when he was so involved on all investigations when HIS city was attacked. cuz of our freedom? are you kidding me?? ron paul is right, why not attack canada or hell even the netherlands. bunch of haram bologna. i hate freaking politicians like that.
basically he is a mini bush and if he becomes president, i'm moving to canada.
i cant stand having idiots running this country.

and i still even havent taken a look at the democrats and their views on everything as well. i still have to see if obama is all the hype. given he'll probably win my state.

i also take my back my remark on saying how ron paul is out there with his policies, i was completely under the wrong impression of his views and policies. i just remember reading on some website how he opposed many things, but i think that might have been because the site had no clue what his views were. as of right now he seems the best bet on the republican side.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by Resay112

i also take my back my remark on saying how ron paul is out there with his policies, i was completely under the wrong impression of his views and policies. i just remember reading on some website how he opposed many things, but i think that might have been because the site had no clue what his views were. as of right now he seems the best bet on the republican side.

He seems like the best bet of all of them, both the Republicans and the Democrats.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll. Jan. 18-22, 2008. N=1,312 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all registered voters).

"In your opinion, should the United States withdraw troops from Iraq right away, or should the U.S. begin bringing troops home within the next year, or should troops stay in Iraq for as long as it takes to win the war?"


Withdraw
Right Away
ALL reg. voters 20 %
Democrats 32%
Independents 19%
Republicans 8%

Withdraw
Within Year
ALL reg. voters 43%
Democrats 58%
Independents 47%
Republicans 24%

Stay as Long
As It Takes
ALL reg. voters 31%
Democrats 8%
Independents 26%
Republicans 61%

Unsure
ALL reg. voters 6%
Democrats 2%
Independents 8%
Republicans 7%

Polls: Iraq angst may be helping McCain

By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 22 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Republican angst over the war in Iraq may be helping fuel John McCain's rise as a top presidential contender, even though he has been the campaign's highest profile supporter of the unpopular conflict, according to surveys in early voting states and interviews with GOP pollsters.

In states that have held GOP nominating contests so far, the Arizona senator has done better with people naming Iraq as the country's top problem than with those who picked other issues, entrance and exit polls of voters show. He has also done better with GOP voters saying they disapprove of the Iraq war than with those saying they approve.

Unlike Democrats and independents, most Republicans support the war, which several national polls show has been overtaken by the economy as the campaign's defining issue. Yet while only a minority of Republicans express displeasure with the conflict, their numbers are significant in the close race for the GOP nomination.

Republican pollsters say GOP voters unhappy over Iraq are generally displeased with how the Bush administration has conducted the conflict and don't oppose the war itself. They say that with violence in Iraq declining in recent months, those Republicans see it as vindication for McCain's longtime support for a continued strong U.S. military effort.

"He's been foremost among Republican critics of the tactics in Iraq, though stalwart about the importance of winning," said GOP pollster Whit Ayres, who is not affiliated with any presidential candidate. "He's getting votes from people who basically favor the war, as well as people who are critical of the effort we've made there."

Lance Tarrance, a pollster and informal adviser to McCain, said reduced U.S. and civilian casualties in Iraq are helping McCain get "the best of both worlds" — support from Republicans who favor the war and from those who feel it has been mismanaged.

Others say the numbers showing McCain's strength among GOP war critics reflect that many of his supporters are independents or have moderate views on many issues, which happen to include doubts about the war, and are not driven by misgivings about the conflict.

"McCain's supporters are more moderate Republicans who are likelier to be less for the war," but whose support for him is based more on their overall ideology than on qualms about Iraq, said Tony Fabrizio, a Republican pollster not working for a candidate.

McCain's support is stronger among voters saying they disapprove of the war than among those who approve, according to polls of voters in the two early primary states where the war's popularity was measured.

He trailed Mitt Romney by 4 percentage points among voters in the New Hampshire primary who approve of the war but led him by 25 points with those disapproving. In Michigan, he trailed Romney by 15 points among those who approved but led by 7 points with war critics. Even when only looking at voters identifying themselves as Republican — omitting independents, who tend to be more negative about the war — those differences were the same or sharper.

Only about a quarter of voters in the Iowa and New Hampshire GOP contests cited Iraq as the country's chief problem, and a fifth or fewer said the same in Michigan, Nevada and South Carolina, the polls showed.

McCain did better with that group than he did with those naming something else as the top issue in each state but Nevada, where the numbers were too small to meaningfully compare. He finished first among those citing Iraq as the No. 1 problem in every state but Iowa, where he trailed overall Iowa winner Mike Huckabee.

Among early state voters calling themselves Republicans — leaving out independents — the differences were still clear.

McCain did 17 points better with Republicans calling Iraq the top issue than with those who didn't in Iowa; was about even in New Hampshire; 15 points better in Michigan; and 20points better in South Carolina.

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Candidates court Hispanics in primary

By LAURA KURTZMAN, Associated Press Writer
Sat Jan 26, 4:26 AM ET

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Bidding for Hispanic support in California's upcoming primary, Barack Obama describes himself in a Spanish-language television ad as the son of an immigrant whose success is a beacon to others.

"This is your country," a narrator says in the ad that began airing Friday in Los Angeles. "Don't let anyone or anything take away those dreams."

But it is an older, more familiar success story — that of the Clintons — that seems to be holding sway among most California Hispanics. They will play a key role in deciding the Democratic winner.

As the wife of the former president, Hillary Rodham Clinton has an almost dynastic appeal to Hispanic voters, many of whom came of voting age during the economic good times of Bill Clinton's presidency.

The New York senator leads Obama 3-to-1 among Hispanics, according to a recent survey by the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California.

"There is very much a comfort zone with the name and the family, and a very comfortable remembrance with Clinton's eight years in office," said Jaime Regalado, director of the Pat Brown Institute at California State University, Los Angeles.

By contrast, he said, most Hispanics know little about Obama, who only appeared on the national scene four years ago, when he was elected a U.S. senator from Illinois.

While Obama has come to California to raise money and hold the occasional campaign event, he has not been able to make much of an impression among rank-and-file voters, who do not tune into the race until the final weeks before an election.

Clinton, meanwhile, has been able to draw on 16 years in the national spotlight.

Earlier this week, she traveled across the country for a one-day visit to Salinas to accept the endorsement of the United Farm Workers, which was started by Cesar Chavez.

The UFW's star has dimmed since its heyday in the 1970s, and its endorsement may be more important for its symbolism than for its ability to mobilize voters, given that most farm workers are immigrants who cannot vote.

But it gave Clinton the opportunity to assert her strength among Hispanic voters, who are expected to make up as many as one in four of those casting Democratic ballots in the Feb. 5 election.

Like whites, Hispanics are somewhat split along generational lines over the Democratic race, with young voters gravitating toward the promise of Obama and older ones attracted to the experience of Clinton, according to analysts.

But some cite another possible reason for Clinton's dominance: the disinclination of some Hispanics to vote for a black candidate. Tensions between the two groups have been intensified by competition for jobs and political power as Hispanic immigrants have moved into black neighborhoods.

"Perhaps, because he's an African-American, there might be reluctance there, too," Regalado said.

In any case, Clinton's status as the early front-runner induced most of the Hispanic political establishment to hop aboard her campaign. Supporters include Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez, along with a long list of lesser-known political figures.

One political family — the Sanchez sisters, who have been elected to Congress from Southern California — split.

Rep. Loretta Sanchez, who represents Orange County, chose Clinton. Rep. Linda Sanchez, who represents communities south of Los Angeles, went with Obama.

Obama also won a key endorsement from Maria Elena Durazo, who is known among Hispanics across the country as the head of the powerful Los Angeles County Federation of Labor.

Durazo said she was taken by Obama's life story as the child of a white single mother and an African immigrant