[kenneth]

"aligned" what a trite euphemism. thanks for that.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by kenneth

"aligned" what a trite euphemism. thanks for that.

Trite?

When the only person who seems to have a problem with it doesn't practice it... what is your complaint?

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Variable

Christianity isn't built on the same premise as Islam. To be a 'good Christian' all of one's actions needn't be supported by a religious text.

Celebrating Jesus' birthday isn't made "un-Christian" by the fact that there's no corresponding scripture. Because it was aligned with an old pagan holiday doesn't make it the reason they're celebrating pagan. Sorry if you can't make that leap of understanding.

Its not about me understanding, its about me rejecting it.

I left Christianity because of its culture wrapped in pagan teachings...

The Reason why I chose Islam, Is the same reason why I defend it...

[Variable]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Its not about me understanding, its about me rejecting it.

I left Christianity because of its culture wrapped in pagan teachings...

The Reason why I chose Islam, Is the same reason why I defend it...

So defending Islam to you means constantly slandering Christianity.

Anyway I wasn't talking to you.

[zakk]

I don't know, Variable. Wouldn't it make more sense for a devout Christian not to celebrate it, as it's basis wasn't a religious event, but rather an effort of the church to reconcile Paganism with religion, in order to allow people to be Christian and still celebrate Pagan holidays? I know Christianity isn't the same as Islam, but from a purist's point of view, how would it tie into Christianity if it didn't have Christian origins?

[heba]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Yet again the Arrogant howl of assimilation.

Muslims don't enjoin in pagan practices, we stay unique to our book, that's what keeps our faith unchanging.
If you want to enjoin in your biddah, go on ahead,

P.S.: Its a SECULAR Country....

P.S.S.: Christianity was deemed a non-religious holiday by the Supreme Court...so anyone can use it as they please...
Just because the supreme court says its not christian, doesn't mean we should celebrate it...Its still has a dark and UnGodly History...

im assimilating because i say "you too" to my custoimers?? RELAX> holy sh-t some of you people need to take a freakin chill pill
i work in retail, people are shopping now because its christmas, am i supopsed to go into an hour long response how christmas is a pagan holiday and its biddah for them to say it to me? you are so unrealistic, open your eyes a bit to the real world

[Variable]

Originally Posted by zakk

I don't know, Variable. Wouldn't it make more sense for a devout Christian not to celebrate it, as it's basis wasn't a religious event, but rather an effort of the church to reconcile Paganism with religion, in order to allow people to be Christian and still celebrate Pagan holidays? I know Christianity isn't the same as Islam, but from a purist's point of view, how would it tie into Christianity if it didn't have Christian origins?

Well I know some pretty crazy hardcore Christians (I was in Spanish school with this physicist who said that God guided him to build a safer nuclear reactor hahaha)

Anyway, I don't think any refused the standard Christian holidays on account of their pagan associations. They simply ceased to mean those things anymore to them. You're right to note that Christianity and Islam differ in a big way on this point, but perhaps even moreso than you think.

I know in Islam, it was always important to differentiate stringently between religious practices of others, but Christianity was formed with a wholly different premise I think. It just doesn't matter a whole lot to them...so long as you believe that Jesus died on the cross for their sins.

I think some hardcore Christians would be wary if people started celebrating them with different intentions in mind though, like new age groups celebrating Loki day or something.

[kenneth]

Who celebrates "Loki day?"

[Revert]

Its funny because The first genrations abhored the celebration fo birth...if those xtians were around today would they eb disgusted with what their religion ahs turned too? Just musing please don't take offense.

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Yet again the Arrogant howl of assimilation.

Muslims don't enjoin in pagan practices, we stay unique to our book, that's what keeps our faith unchanging.
If you want to enjoin in your biddah, go on ahead,

P.S.: Its a SECULAR Country....

P.S.S.: Christianity was deemed a non-religious holiday by the Supreme Court...so anyone can use it as they please...
Just because the supreme court says its not christian, doesn't mean we should celebrate it...Its still has a dark and UnGodly History...

SO responding to a greeting is celebrating to you?

I'm sorry bro thats misguded and has no basis in the din of Al-Islam.

cel·e·brate /ˈsɛləˌbreɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sel-uh-breyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -brat·ed, -brat·ing.
–verb (used with object)

1. to observe (a day) or commemorate (an event) with ceremonies or festivities: to celebrate Christmas; to celebrate the success of a new play.

2. to make known publicly; proclaim: The newspaper celebrated the end of the war in red headlines.

3. to praise widely or to present to widespread and favorable public notice, as through newspapers or novels: a novel celebrating the joys of marriage; the countryside celebrated in the novels of Hardy.

4. to perform with appropriate rites and ceremonies; solemnize: to celebrate a marriage.

–verb (used without object) 5. to observe a day or commemorate an event with ceremonies or festivities.

6. to perform a religious ceremony, esp. Mass or the Lord's Supper.

7. to have or participate in a party, drinking spree, or uninhibited good time: You look like you were up celebrating all night.

Please understnd the word before applying it to the situations you describe. Merely greeting someone is not celebrating.

[PhDGirl]

Originally Posted by kenneth

"aligned" what a trite euphemism. thanks for that.

Aligned isn't a trite euphemism - it's just a word. There's no need to ridicule Variable. He's respectful of our beliefs even if he disagrees with them so I think we owe him the same courtesy.

Anyway, I think the bill is silly and a waste of taxpayer dollars.

[kenneth]

i find "aligned" to be a trite euphemism even upon further thought.

Is this "alignment" supposed to be accidental? If so, isn't that what atheists say about the universe and phenomenal consciousness? It just happened? at random? mere coincidence. right. i'll buy that for a dollar.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by kenneth

i find "aligned" to be a trite euphemism even upon further thought.

Is this "alignment" supposed to be accidental? If so, isn't that what atheists say about the universe and phenomenal consciousness? It just happened? at random? mere coincidence. right. i'll buy that for a dollar.

What part of "it's important to you, but not to them" aren't you getting?

We're talking about faith based beliefs here, it's subjective.

[kenneth]

whatever floats yer boat, bub.

[Variable]

yeh that's what I thought

[kenneth]

Is it? Is that what you thought?

Have fun shrinking into your little ambiguity shell whenever it's convenient.